Salvation belongs to the Lord (Psalm 3:8)

[mark kennedy]

As the title states Salvation belongs to the Lord.

Therefore, a question:

Does God’s salvation come in response to a changed life?

Or

Does a changed life come in response to God’s salvation, offered as a free gift?

According to.Psalm 3:5 salvation belongs to the Lord. Unless God has some way of changing your life before he saves you it's 'b'. Technically he is salvation, the changed life isn't a requirement for salvation, it is salvation.

 

[eleos1954]

I understand your position is synergistic.

However, the OP is asking:

Does God’s salvation come in response to a changed life?

Or

Does a changed life come in response to God’s salvation, offered as a free gift?

I think your answer was God’s Grace comes first. Would that not be a changed life comes in response to God’s salvation offered as a free gift?

Justification - Christ crucified opened the door to salvation and is a free gift that is available to everyone, but one has to accept the gift. If one accepts the gift ... then the Lord starts changing the person - sanctification - and that is a continuing process throughout ones earthly life.

 

[redleghunter]

Justification - Christ crucified opened the door to salvation and is a free gift that is available to everyone, but one has to accept the gift. If one accepts the gift ... then the Lord starts changing the person - sanctification - and that is a continuing process throughout ones earthly life.

Therefore you would agree with the following?

“God’s salvation does not come in response to a changed life. A changed life comes in response to the salvation, offered as a free gift.”

 

[~Zao~]

God's mercy.

Wouldn’t that mean one were seeking mercy? And that would preclude that remorse was felt, predated by a conscientiousness of sin … Conscience is part of the human spirit where intuition and concepts from the Holy Spirit communicate.

So then the Holy Spirit had a way to shine the light, from hearing/reading/ears/eyes to be able to convict at the conscious level to produce a remorse that resulted in a conscious level of mercy received.

Then upon receiving grace thru mercy, faith is experienced in love. Love is a light. I think the conscious of sin never departs in connection to the intuition and that’s what maintains faith thru grace.

 

[redleghunter]

Wouldn’t that mean one were seeking mercy? And that would preclude that remorse was felt, predated by a conscientiousness of sin … Conscience is part of the human spirit where intuition and concepts from the Holy Spirit communicate.

So then the Holy Spirit had a way to shine the light, from hearing/reading/ears/eyes to be able to convict at the conscious level to produce a remorse that resulted in a conscious level of mercy received.

Then upon receiving grace thru mercy, faith is experienced in love. Love is a light. I think the conscious of sin never departs in connection to the intuition and that’s what maintains faith thru grace.

Well the Bible does teach it is God Who calls. Which would make sense given the statement:

“God’s salvation does not come in response to a changed life. A changed life comes in response to the salvation, offered as a free gift.”

Which is quite logically Biblical as well:

Ephesians 2:8-10

 

[~Zao~]

Well the Bible does teach it is God Who calls. Which would make sense given the statement:

“God’s salvation does not come in response to a changed life. A changed life comes in response to the salvation, offered as a free gift.”

Which is quite logically Biblical as well:

Ephesians 2:8-10

It would be on spiritual ears that the call would be heard. And I assume that it would come first to the conscience at a point where compromise was an issue.

, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.

that assumes deliverance has occurred because of being created in Christ.

 

[redleghunter]

It would be on spiritual ears that the call would be heard. And I assume that it would come first to the conscience at a point where compromise was an issue.

Can you explain this in more detail?

 

[Pepper77]

As the title states Salvation belongs to the Lord.

Therefore, a question:

Does God’s salvation come in response to a changed life?

Or

Does a changed life come in response to God’s salvation, offered as a free gift?

The latter, absolutely.... Salvation is of the Lord.

 

[~Zao~]

Can you explain this in more detail?

There’s a lot of detail in receiving the word but after receiving salvation is when predestined work is supplied.

 

[redleghunter]

There’s a lot of detail in receiving the word but after receiving salvation is when predestined work is supplied.

The Word put in us and grows.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

As the title states Salvation belongs to the Lord.

Therefore, a question:

Does God’s salvation come in response to a changed life?

Or

Does a changed life come in response to God’s salvation, offered as a free gift?

I see examples of both given in Scripture.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

There’s a lot of detail in receiving the word but after receiving salvation is when predestined work is supplied.

Don't know if this is allowed...my responding to you in whatever forum we are in, but risking it...The work done ahead of conversion as in the example of the life of the Centurion (Acts 10:22) may be considered predestined also in some special cases, could it not?

 

[renniks]

Therefore you would agree with the following?

“God’s salvation does not come in response to a changed life. A changed life comes in response to the salvation, offered as a free gift.”

A changed life comes in response to our response to God s leading. This doesn't always result in salvation immediately, but if we continue to listen to the Spirit, it will. God offers his Spirit to all. Even nature reveals God, but there has to be a response from the person, an openess to Truth. In general, yes, a changed life is the result of salvation, but it's not a formula.

 

[fhansen]

As the title states Salvation belongs to the Lord.

Therefore, a question:

Does God’s salvation come in response to a changed life?

Or

Does a changed life come in response to God’s salvation, offered as a free gift?

God calls and stirs and enables us, by grace, to embrace His light, to enter His fold-and if we do He continues that work in us; He justifies us. But we can still always refuse; we can resist grace.

 

[~Zao~]

Wouldn’t that mean one were seeking mercy? And that would preclude that remorse was felt, predated by a conscientiousness of sin … Conscience is part of the human spirit where intuition and concepts from the Holy Spirit communicate.
So then the Holy Spirit had a way to shine the light, from hearing/reading/ears/eyes to be able to convict at the conscious level to produce a remorse that resulted in a conscious level of mercy received.
Then upon receiving grace thru mercy, faith is experienced in love. Love is a light. I think the conscious of sin never departs in connection to the intuition and that’s what maintains faith thru grace.

It would be on spiritual ears that the call would be heard. And I assume that it would come first to the conscience at a point where compromise was an issue.

that assumes deliverance has occurred because of being created in Christ.

Don't know if this is allowed...my responding to you in whatever forum we are in, but risking it...The work done ahead of conversion as in the example of the life of the Centurion (Acts 10:22) may be considered predestined also in some special cases, could it not?

They answered, “Cornelius, a centurion, an upright and God-fearing man, who is well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation, was directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and to hear what you have to say.”

Corrneliaus’ being directed by an angel to receive the Holy Spirit from the source it was being delivered from (usually explained as one of the 2 keys held by Peter) would be an example of what initiated the transaction but not an example of the predestined work that is given after the fact of rebirth.

ETA the workmanship of the Father in Christ is the new creation.
8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; 9 not of works, that no man should glory.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.
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[redleghunter]

A changed life comes in response to our response to God s leading. This doesn't always result in salvation immediately, but if we continue to listen to the Spirit, it will. God offers his Spirit to all. Even nature reveals God, but there has to be a response from the person, an openess to Truth. In general, yes, a changed life is the result of salvation, but it's not a formula.

The changed life is not a result of God's salvation?

 

[redleghunter]

God calls and stirs and enables us, by grace, to embrace His light, to enter His fold-and if we do He continues that work in us; He justifies us. But we can still always refuse; we can resist grace.

We are partially changed?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We are partially changed?

Remember when your free will is removed from you ? What time of life is that ?

 

[renniks]

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The changed life is not a result of God's salvation?

I think I was pretty clear. Yes it usually is, but, What do you do with non Christians who are more Christ like than most Christians?

 

[bling]

As the title states Salvation belongs to the Lord.

Therefore, a question:

Does God’s salvation come in response to a changed life?

Or

Does a changed life come in response to God’s salvation, offered as a free gift?

Salvation is a free gift and it is what changes your life, but even as a big full time selfish sinner, you can for selfish reasons humble yourself to the point of willingly accepting pure charity and that is what you can do. Hanging in there, being Macho, and being willing to pay the piper only keeps you from humbly accepting charity.