Salvation before Jesus

Sanoy

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Sanoy, tou are doing just what I described. Just reading into the Jewish Scriptures whatever you want.
You will have to be more descriptive if you want to avoid the appearance of handwaving.
 
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According to the narrative of all self-identified Christian denominations there was no Jesus before the first century AD

No, this is not correct. Christianity and the Bible have taught that Jesus has always existed. He became incarnate about 4 BC. Anyone who teaches that Jesus did not exist before 1st century AD is not Christian and not a Bible doctrine.

with the assumption that Christianity existed in the first century, long before the days of Constantine and Eusebius.

It did indeed, since Christianity is based in Christ Jesus. Neither of those men created Christianity or it would have been called Constantinianism or Eusebianism.

So naturally the question arises: what was the salvation for human beings (including Jews) for all the millennia before he arrived?

Same as it always has been and always will be. Salvation is from faith in God. Jesus Christ is God.

Genesis 15:6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

Do you claim to be a Jew and not know this?

Where was the grace and atonement for mankind to be saved from eternal damnation before the year 33 AD?!

Same as always, grace and atonement comes from God. In the Old Testament, it was a shadow and foretype through the sacrificial system of the temple.

In addition, since it took quite a while for the world to know about his salvation, what happened to mankind who never heard about him even AFTER he was in the first century?

People don't go to Hell for not hearing about Jesus. They are condemned because of their sins against God.
 
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You won't find the mention of any Ebionites or Nazarenes in any Jewish texts. They were invented by the Church to reinforce the stories of the New Testament.

Well as I stated before in other posts. That is because they were no different than any other Jewish individual. They still practiced all of the same customs, rituals, and held the same beliefs (mostly). There would have been no need to mention them.
 
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That's ridiculous. How do you know their customs? Were you there? The reason nothing is mentioned anywhere about them, including in Josephus is because they didn't exist in the first century.

This is what scholars have found. Jesus was Jewish and so were his followers. It only makes sense that they maintained their Jewishness until Paul came along.
 
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WHAT Jewish preachers?? Who can you name from any historical Jewish sources who was a Jewish preacher believing in Jesus?? Outside of the New Testament you will find none. Nothing. Nada. Zippo.

Here is a source from Apostolic times outside your imagination:

Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia

A Jewish Pharisee attesting to St. James the Apostle & author of his own Epistle: Epistle of James

William Whiston, the 17th c. translator of Josephus’ writings went so far as to attest that Josephus became a Christian:

Discourse to the Greeks concerning Hades - Wikipedia

You can have your doubts as to whether Josephus became a Christian & debate. As things stand, scholars only disagree with about 3 pages of Whiston’s translation; Whiston was vehement in his position but there is disagreement. Whiston was not a Trinitarian Christian either.

The Ebionites were an authentic sect of Jewish Christians. The history between them and Gentile Christians seems largely tragic but it is what it is. Why would one group create a rival group to justify itself?

Wrestling With Their Jewish Heritage | From Jesus To Christ - The First Christians | FRONTLINE | PBS



You are entitled to whether you accept the Gospel but your opinion does not define history either.
 
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