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Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Natsumi Lam, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. Devin P

    Devin P Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't really make sense to keep traditions of the Jews that aren't found in scripture. Jesus got on them for elevating their own vain traditions above scripture just as He would've anyone else. If it's not in scripture, we shouldn't observe it.
     
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  2. ChicanaRose

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    None of these verses prove that saints in heaven have any control over the individual lives of those on earth right now.
     
  3. Gracia Singh

    Gracia Singh Newbie Supporter

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    I hope someday, you get to understand fully what it means to be alive in Christ. And get to know and love all the holy, awesome Christians who have already gone on ahead.
     
  4. ChicanaRose

    ChicanaRose Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I was dead in my sins but now alive in Christ (Eph. 2). I don't think you've proven anything on the subject but thanks for the sentiment.
     
  5. Gracia Singh

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    And yet, Scripture does point us to the reality that the Saints are alive, care about us, are still One with us, though seperated, and that as they are alive in Christ and just, their prayers can do great things.
     
  6. ChicanaRose

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    This is a second or third order doctrine matter. If you do not believe it, it wouldn't make you any less of a Christian.
     
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  7. Natsumi Lam

    Natsumi Lam Preparer of the Bride Supporter

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    I believe you are contextually wrong...i will read up and get back to you.
     
  8. Natsumi Lam

    Natsumi Lam Preparer of the Bride Supporter

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    There is something contextually wrong with pulling out john 11:25 -26.....etc


    I am going to do an indepth study for you. I will get back to you prepared.
     
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  9. ChicanaRose

    ChicanaRose Well-Known Member

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    I agree.
     
  10. Natsumi Lam

    Natsumi Lam Preparer of the Bride Supporter

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    I think you are contextually wrong but i am willing to modify my pov
     
  11. Gracia Singh

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    This may help. Again, the Earliest Christians, many of whom who lived and wrote even prior to Nicea, had no problem with many of the things some Christians today feel deeply uncomfortable with. For them, this was just what their Christian faith looked and sounded and felt like.

    The Intercession of the Saints
     
  12. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Dead people are sleeping until judgment day.
     
  13. PoppyB

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    I don't believe in man-made saints. There are saints and sinners and according to the bible we, the Church, are saints. And we are also priests - a royal priesthood no less. I personally don't believe that prayer to anybody but God can possibly be effective. But so many people are taught to pray to 'saints' from an early age and believe in the effectiveness of it.
     
  14. Pavel Mosko

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    The Miracle stuff is secondary. The real fruit is the "fruit of the spirit" the life they lived and the inspiration they give to lead a better Christian life. While we have that sort of thing in the Bible, there is one added benefit of later saints, that since they come from more recent times their story might potentially speak to your life in a more personal way (Having specific problems that you might have, rather than general problems).
     
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  15. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

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    Nobody petitions the saints except people who have been taught to do so their whole lives, eh?
     
  16. PoppyB

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    I didn't say that. I said so many.
     
  17. PaulCyp1

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    God is the only protector. The saints can only intercede (pray) for us. If were ask a saint to watch over us, it is with the understanding that they will pray for us.
     
  18. FireDragon76

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    I have worn medals of saints. I have a medal of St. Therese of Lisieux, just because I liked alot of things she wrote: next to Luther, she's probably had the most profound influence on me as a Christian.

    I don't think of it as something that is magical. Even though while we do not specifically ask for the prayers of saints traditionally, we don't exactly deny that they pray for us, and there is nothing wrong with honoring them.
     
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  19. FenderTL5

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    I think you may have the wrong impression.
    It's not that the saints in heaven have control over anything, especially individual lives. We merely ask those saints to pray to God on our behalf, just as if you'd ask someone in a prayer group to pray for you. The difference being, the saint is in heaven, in the presence of God, and having lived (or martyred) through similar circumstances knows how to pray for us.
     
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  20. gideon123

    gideon123 Humble Servant of God

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    I encourage people to read their Bible carefully. You should take this very seriously. Do not follow the customs of people who tell you to pray to Saints, or other departed souls.

    Fund the passage in the OT where the king Saul and his son Johnathon are in deep trouble. So they go to a medium, a spiritist, to raise up Samuel from the dead. Samuel was a prophet of God, and possibly the greatest prophet of all. The Bible does not say that the attempt failed .. in fact the medium was succcessful, Saul did speak to Samuel.

    Stop and thnk about this. Did Saul ask to talk to a witch, or to Harry Potter? No, he did not. Did Saul ask to talk to someone without faith? No, he did not. Samuel was a "Saint", in the same way that you are using the word.

    So Saul and Johnathon asked to talk to a Saint, a prophet of God who had died.

    How did God respond?
    God struck down Saul and Johnathon ... dead.
    Dead on the same day that they did this.
    God was angry.
    The commandments were broken.

    Do not pray to the dead. And do not get involved with mediums, spiritists, or fortune tellers. Pray to the Living God!
     
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