Saint Junia - Female Apostle?

[All4Christ]

looking at the actual Scriptural quote, I don't think so. at least not the 12 or the 70 who founded Sees since women weren't bishops.

but, there were still female Apostles.

Scripture does say that St Junia was of note among the 70 and St John Chrysostom notes that she is called an apostle (in Scripture?)...so how does that work? The OCA website also says that she is one of the 70. I didn’t think that inherently meant that they had the authority of clergy. St Junia accompanied St Adrinicus. She shared the gospel yes, but that doesn’t mean she was the “founder” of one of the Churches.

ETA: I guess Scripture doesn’t say “of not among the 70 apostles”. The OCA website does however say she is
“of the 70”, so that does seem to be “an” Orthodox opinion

 

[ArmyMatt]

Scripture does say that St Junia was of note among the 70 and St John Chrysostom notes that she is called an apostle (in Scripture?)...so how does that work? The OCA website also says that she is one of the 70. I didn’t think that inherently meant that they had the authority of clergy. St Junia accompanied St Adrinicus. She shared the gospel yes, but that doesn’t mean she was the “founder” of one of the Churches.

ETA: I guess Scripture doesn’t say “of not among the 70 apostles”. The OCA website does however say she is one of the 70, so that does seem to be “an” Orthodox opinion

I said according to the actual Scriptural quote (the one linked), which says Junias, and not Junia, which sounded like a masculine name.

 

[All4Christ]

I said according to the actual Scriptural quote (the one linked), which says Junias, and not Junia, which sounded like a masculine name.

Ok, heading out the door; I read the post differently than that so perhaps I’m mixing up two posts; will write more later.

 

[AMM]

"Of note among the apostles" can also have two meanings: (1) the apostles believe she/he is noteworthy (e.g. "Star Wars is of note among film critics"), or (2) she/he is a noteworth apostle (e.g. "Star Wars is of note among the 1970s movies"

 

[All4Christ]

"Of note among the apostles" can also have two meanings: (1) the apostles believe she/he is noteworthy (e.g. "Star Wars is of note among film critics"), or (2) she/he is a noteworth apostle (e.g. "Star Wars is of note among the 1970s movies"

Right. I’m referring to both the scripture and the context of the OCA (and other Orthodox) sources put together for an “Orthodox” view, albeit not “the” authoritative Orthodox view.

That said, when I have time, there are more sources to consider that give more context to both what you are saying and what other sources say.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Ok, heading out the door; I read the post differently than that so perhaps I’m mixing up two posts; will write more later.

I am fine with Junia being proper and being a woman. women Apostles have been around since the beginning. and if the Church says she was one of the 70, then I am not gonna argue.

 

[Radagast]

I said according to the actual Scriptural quote (the one linked), which says Junias, and not Junia, which sounded like a masculine name.

The actual Greek Scripture passage says Junian, though, which is the accusative case for both the male and female forms.

Whether he was Junias or she was Junia can only decided by extra-Biblical sources (which is why several people are knocking on the Orthodox door in this thread).

 

[ArmyMatt]

The actual Scripture passage says Junian, though, which is the accusative case for both the male and female forms.

eeeenteresting

 

[All4Christ]

The actual Greek Scripture passage says Junian, though, which is the accusative case for both the male and female forms.<snip>

One of those points that I was going to mention later thanks!

 

[All4Christ]

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[All4Christ]

We also have been mixing up the feminine and masculine forms of the name in this thread (myself included).

 

[archer75]

I am fine with Junia being proper and being a woman. women Apostles have been around since the beginning. and if the Church says she was one of the 70, then I am not gonna argue.

So my question is: if she was among the 70 and was a founder of a See...and the apostles are the predecessors of our bishops...why is there a sex limitation on our bishops when there wasn't on the 70?

 

[Radagast]

We also have been mixing up the feminine and masculine forms of the name in this thread (myself included).

I've been trying to sit on the fence while still using the right pronouns. It's awkward.

 

[ArmyMatt]

So my question is: if she was among the 70 and was a founder of a See...and the apostles are the predecessors of our bishops...why is there a sex limitation on our bishops when there wasn't on the 70?

she was not the founder of a See, no woman was

 

[archer75]

she was not the founder of a See, no woman was

I guess I misunderstood your post 18 to mean "by definition, the 70 founded Sees"

 

[ArmyMatt]

I guess I misunderstood your post 18 to mean "by definition, the 70 founded Sees"

that was before it was pointed out that she clearly was a woman.

 

[All4Christ]

I've been trying to sit on the fence while still using the right pronouns. It's awkward.

It’d be clearer if we actually were using the Greek except for cases like the declension in the referenced scripture