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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by FineLinen, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    I did no such thing.

    I was speaking of Sophia, as well as Gnosticism, and what the Bible refutes as heretical, as all of my posts clarify.

    Praying.

    Let it rain.
     
  2. ~Zao~

    ~Zao~ Great is Thy Faithfulness Supporter

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    The bible no way refutes that the Wisdom of Christ given to the church is heretical!!! :doh: Nor does it refute God’s control. Go back and read what I wrote and leave out the word Sophia and replace it with the mind of Christ. Then look at the fire as special service for God. There is no need to place the analogy in front of the facts, because I was merely trying to aide understanding.
     
  3. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    What has what you posted got to do with my post that you quoted from (post #101) ?

    Praying.

    Let it rain.
     
  4. ~Zao~

    ~Zao~ Great is Thy Faithfulness Supporter

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    Reread it, cut thru the smoke blinding your eyes.
     
  5. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    :scratch:

    Praying.

    Let it rain.
     
  6. Job3315

    Job3315 Well-Known Member

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    From my understanding Jesus opened the door for everyone already. He even said on the Cross, "it is finished" as a way of saying the separation of God and men is over. When He died the curtain of the tabernacle broke in half opening the way for everyone to come; Jew, gentile, men, women, free and slaves. The Bible says in John 3:16 that God loved the world so much that gave His only son that WHOEVER believes in Him should not die, and to have eternal life.

    God chose everyone, many don't chose Him. The Bible also states that people already have the law in them, so they know between good and bad, and since we are made in His image, we have an innate desire to seek our creator. His own Spirit is calling Hid creation. We all are looking for God, the devil is very sneaky and gives us what we think we are looking for.

    I find it funny that people keep trying to prove that some are chosen. Yes, some are specifically called to do something; the Bible says Jesus and Paul were created before the foundation of the world (why need Jesus as a Savior and an apostle before the world was created? Because God knew from the beginning what was going to happen. He knew who will chose Him, but as Jesus said to John, just baptize me to fulfilled the scripture).

    I do not discuss that some are chosen and some are not, I just intercede to the Father so others can enjoy the same revelation of freedom, love and righteousness that I enjoy, the thing is that many don't even know what they possess and who they are supposed to be manifesting. People focus on the Prodigal Son instead of focusing on the other son who was already in the household but not enjoying what was already His.

    I think the return of Jesus will be like when He first came but instead or Jews we will have "Christians" trying to become righteous instead of doing what He asked us to do and the same Jews missed; to be the righteousness of God. As Jesus is, so are we. The Jews were supposed to be ready to evangelize the gentiles (God's plan was to invite the gentiles into His Kingdom before the foundation of the world. It was supposed to be one Kingdom, not two). The gentiles ended up evangelizing the Jews.
     
  7. ~Zao~

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    Peter says Jesus was known before the creation of the world but it says nothing about Paul being created before the foundation of the world?
     
  8. bling

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    If God decided before time began to choose to be with everyone who accepted His charitable gift, would the people who were willing to accept charity forcing God to live with them or did God choose them to be with Him?

    If there is no reason for me to be chosen over my wife not to be chosen to be with God in heaven, how could I be “happy” with God and His choice? That is not the God I worship, but tell me how your happy with that system?
     
  9. lsume

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    Very true but a hard teaching.
     
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  10. mkgal1

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    Absolutely! Only God incarnate could have defeated death and sin. Without Christ, we were all dead - but, only because of Him, have we been made "alive". Jesus needed to become flesh in order to redeem the flesh of humanity.
     
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  11. CharismaticLady

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    But He draws all men to Him. It is then their choice.
     
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  12. brinny

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    Thank you. I was asking specifically because it seemed that He had been minimized or rendered not necessary in some posts.

    I was asking for clarity.

    Thank you, and i agree sister.

    God bless you. :)
     
  13. Yarddog

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    Why is a hard teaching?
     
  14. CharismaticLady

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    They believe not everyone is chosen; so unless God chooses you, you are doomed to go to hell from birth.
     
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  15. LittleLambofJesus

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    Yeah. I've been spending too much time on the Eschatology "guru" board............. like trying to break thru a stone wall with a toothpick. :)

    As a Disciple of Jesus, if I be silent, the stones shall cry out..........

    The "Wailing Wall" and "..not stone upon stone left.." Matt, Mark and Luke

    Luke 19:
    38 saying, "Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven, and glory in the highest!"
    39 Some of the Pharisees from the multitude said to him, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples!"
    40 He answered them, "I tell you that if these were silent, the stones would cry out."

    41 And as He nears, beholding the City, and He laments on Her, 42 saying, "That if Thou knew and Thou, even indeed in the day, this, the toward peace of Thee, now yet it was hid from Thy eyes.
    43 That shall be arriving<2240> days upon Thee, and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work to Thee and shall be encompassing Thee, and pressing Thee from-every-side.
    44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee, and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee, stead which not Thou knew the season of the visitation<1984> of Thee".
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    Revelation 16:21
    And Hail great as talent-weight/talantiaia <5006> is descending out of the Heaven upon the Men, and blaspheme the God the Men out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it/her, tremendous. [# 5464 used in Ezekiel 38:22]
    Revelation 18:8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows, death and sorrow and famine. And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>, that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.

    Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com,
    THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR Including
    The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70

    IBSS - The Bible - Revelation

    100 lb. Hailstones
    Revelation 16:21 tells how huge hailstones fell from heaven weighing a talent which is about 100 pounds. Josephus describes 100 lb. white stones coming from Roman catapults down on the Jews in Jerusalem (Jewish Wars, Book 5.6.3).

     
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  16. FineLinen

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    Come in New Zealand: My friend in that beautiful habitation on planet earth: perhaps where you dwell many choose one or both of the deaths in Scripture. Generally none of us choose death unless wracked with unspeakable pain in one dimension or another.

    The calling of the Lord certainly involves the outflow of His life to those we touch. To call it a job seems to me to be short in stature of His abundant life.

    Life cascading into rivers of living water
     
  17. FineLinen

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    Dear Lady: Radical Calvin is a ghasty dogma! At least give me a chance to prove what a great sinner I am and touch me with Your great love & grace of transformation.
     
  18. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    As many as RECEIVED him
     
  19. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    The Bible teaches God chooses. It also says that nothing we do can justify us before a Holy God.

    Our 'job' is not to try to figure out why or how God chooses, but preach the Gospel to all mankind. It is our desire all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. But we also know:

    Acts 13: NASB

    44The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord. 45But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began contradicting the things spoken by Paul, and were blaspheming. 46Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.

    47“For so the Lord has commanded us,
    ‘I HAVE PLACED YOU AS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES,
    THAT YOU MAY BRING SALVATION TO THE END OF THE EARTH.’”


    48When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. 49And the word of the Lord was being spread through the whole region.
     
  20. FineLinen

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    Dear Lover: The beginning of this glorious experience comes from the same dianoigo that drew Lydia>>>

    "The Lord opened her heart"
     
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