S and L

[Cribstyl]

Let's establish that S and L means Sabbath and the Law.

Jesus said: "It is written that man shall not live by breath alone, but by every word that precedes from the mouth of God." That means whatever the scriptures say, is exactly what God requires us to live by.

The argument about creation Sabbath is questionable because scriptures in both Old and new testament says that Sabbath and the law both came by Moses to the Children of Israel.
Neh 9:14
- And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:


If God ever said: "The Sabbath is a covenant between me and the Children of Israel forever." That fact should question whether the whole world was commanded to keep the Sabbath from creation.
Exo 31:14
- Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15
- Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exo 31:16
- Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17
- It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

 

[faroukfarouk]

We know also the veil of the temple was rent in twain...

 

[Cribstyl]

We know also the veil of the temple was rent in twain...

What does that mean in reference to S and L?

 

[faroukfarouk]

What does that mean in reference to S and L?

I was referring to the transition from the old economy to the new; and Hebrews underlines this transition greatly.

 

[Bob S]

How could anyone deny the following from the ambassador of Christ:

11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called ‘uncircumcised’ by those who call themselves ‘the circumcision’ (which is done in the body by human hands) – 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Eph2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Jesus set aside the Law given only to Israel at Sinai which included the weekly Sabbath command. Those verses are so very clear yet when a person is so programed to believe they are subject to the ten commandments they would deny anything that indicates differently.

 

[BobRyan]

Let's establish that S and L means Sabbath and the Law.

Indeed Jesus is "Savior and Lord" - let's not forget.

And let's admit that the New Covenant says "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 and is "unchanged" in the New Testament - Hebrews 8:6-11

And let's admit that Jeremiah knew that the unit of Law called the TEN Commandments included the commandment where the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th Commandment Eph 6:2 as Paul reminds us.

Such that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:10
For "THIS IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:3
And whoever is guilty of breaking on is guilty of breaking all -- James 2.
And of course for all eternity after the cross "from one Sabbath to another shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 in the New Earth when "all mankind" will be fully obedient to the Word of God.

Ahh yes - the WORD of God!

For Jesus said: "It is written that man shall not live by breath alone, but by every word that precedes from the mouth of God."

Reminding us of God saying that very thing - through Moses in Deut 8.

3 He humbled you and let you be hungry, and fed you with manna which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that He might make you understand that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord. 4 Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years. 5 Thus you are to know in your heart that the Lord your God was disciplining you just as a man disciplines his son. 6 Therefore, you shall keep the commandments of the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

wow! still praising God for "scripture" !!

"That means whatever the scriptures say, is exactly what God requires us to live by."

 

[BobRyan]

Page one of this thread has some good points being raised.

 

[Cribstyl]

Indeed Jesus is "Savior and Lord" - let's not forget.

And let's admit that the New Covenant says "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 and is "unchanged" in the New Testament - Hebrews 8:6-11

And let's admit that Jeremiah knew that the unit of Law called the TEN Commandments included the commandment where the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th Commandment Eph 6:2 as Paul reminds us.

Such that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:10
For "THIS IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:3
And whoever is guilty of breaking on is guilty of breaking all -- James 2.
And of course for all eternity after the cross "from one Sabbath to another shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 in the New Earth when "all mankind" will be fully obedient to the Word of God.

Ahh yes - the WORD of God!

For Jesus said: "It is written that man shall not live by breath alone, but by every word that precedes from the mouth of God."

Reminding us of God saying that very thing - through Moses in Deut 8.

3 He humbled you and let you be hungry, and fed you with manna which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that He might make you understand that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord. 4 Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years. 5 Thus you are to know in your heart that the Lord your God was disciplining you just as a man disciplines his son. 6 Therefore, you shall keep the commandments of the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

wow! still praising God for "scripture" !!

"That means whatever the scriptures say, is exactly what God requires us to live by."

As usual Bob, you raise more questions than you present answers and facts.
Manipulating the scriptures and commentary does not present truths.
Here are a few questions your arguments raises.
Does the term "keeping the commandments of God" always refer to the ten commandments?
Is the Old Covenant and the New Covenant the same?
Are Christians under the law?

 

[Bob S]

The new covenant would not be new if were the same old old one. The old one was not about salvation, the new one is.

 

[Dkh587]

You forgot to emphasize and highlight that the new covenant is with Israel only.

 

[Bob S]

You forgot to emphasize and highlight that the new covenant is with Israel only.

That is debatable. Certainly the account in Jeremiah does not recognize Gentiles, but Jesus certainly did. Jesus told the disciples to spread the Good News to everyone. The good news includes the everlasting covenant of grace. If, for some unknown reason, Gentiles are not under the new covenant we certainly are under the Noahide and Abrahamic covenants. Both are not "if" covenants like the Sinai covenant was. Both are covenants of Grace through faith. Both are covenants for Gentiles.