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Russian Tanks and Armored Vehicles Amassing on Ukrainian border

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by essentialsaltes, Apr 2, 2021.

  1. essentialsaltes

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    Trains loaded with large amounts of Russian military hardware, including tanks and other heavy armored vehicles, as well as heavy artillery, appear to be streaming toward the country's borders with Ukraine.

    This includes at least one clip of a trainload of 152mm 2S19 Msta-S self-propelled howitzers, BMP-3 infantry fight vehicles, and other military vehicles, crossing a bridge that now links Russia to the Crimean Peninsula, and footage of what appears to be the same train in the Crimean city of Kerch. Russian forces seized this region from Ukraine in 2014 and the Kremlin subsequently annexed it.

    Some military movements in the same general region had been observed earlier the month and appeared to be related to a previously announced exercise. However, there have now been reports that Russian forces that took part in those drills remained deployed after the training officially wrapped up on March 23. In addition, subsequent deployments had reportedly seen troops, including units not known to have been involved in the aforementioned drills, head out to locations outside of the publicly announced exercise areas.

    "We've reached out to Russia to try to gain a little more clarity on what's going on," top Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby said on March 31.
     
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  2. Landon Caeli

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    I'm not sure why Russia thinks Ukraine might be something worth fighting for, if that's what they're up to. Isn't their country large enough..? Why not work on improving what they already have rather than this preoccupation with expansion?
     
  3. NomNomPizza

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    I'm surprised they mass there , shouldn't they be attacking Israel soon ?
     
  4. Pommer

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    Without Ukraine, Russia is just a regional power.
     
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  5. Desk trauma

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    The most logical explanation of the boarder conflicts that Russia gets into is that it's a power play from Putin to keep focus on an outside enemy so as to avoid attention about domestic issues and has little to do with territorial gains.
     
  6. Landon Caeli

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  7. Landon Caeli

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    I wonder if they were just relocating equipment to a more desirable location, only to store them there... But then again, with all the airial displays last week, it seems unlikely.
     
  8. Gene2memE

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    You don't road march tracked AFVs and SP guns towards a border to store then. Particularly not with hi and low altitude air cover in place. Or accompanying mechanised infantry.

    You also don't start using said SP guns for cross border shelling if you're storing them.
     
  9. Nithavela

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  10. SoldierOfTheKing

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    The Ukraine is well positioned to be a springboard for a US/NATO attack on Russia...
     
  11. disciple Clint

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    So Biden is in office and now Russia, North Korea, Iran, and China are testing him, could it be they all see the Biden administration as being Obama III, Obama II let them do whatever they liked who can blame them for trying again.
     
  12. Andrewn

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    Historically, an international border between Russia and Ukraine was never fixed. When Ukraine ceded from the Soviet Union in 1991 Gorbachev, then president of the Soviet Union, allowed Ukraine to maintain its provincial border with Russia based on it being part of the Commonwealth of Independent States. But, contrary to that agreement, Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.

    While Ukraine is a sovereign nation and has the right to decide its politics, I think its movement away from Russia's orbit makes its historical provincial border with Russia invalid. It was never an international border to begin with. An international border between Russia and Ukraine needs to be decided upon through diplomatic negotiations.

    Who said that if a state or a province secedes it has a right to keep its provincial borders? Certainly, President Lincoln did not allow this.
     
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  13. wing2000

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    Why do you think Russia (Putin) believes NATO would ever attack Russia?
     
  14. Albion

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    Given all the moves like this one that Putin has already made, it appears that he wants to reconstruct the territorial scope of the nation that existed in the days of the USSR or at least the parts considered most important by him.

    Eastern Ukraine, like the Crimea, Georgia, and some other areas are valuable territories from an economic and/or militarily POV, and Russia is always thinking of its military positioning vis-a-vis NATO and the West.
     
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  15. Ironhold

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    Putin is an old KGB hardliner, and our presence in Afghanistan lit a fire under him. He's out to restore the old Soviet Union, and his actions in Georgia and Ukraine have made it clear that he thinks the use of force is a viable option.
     
  16. durangodawood

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    USSR was one of the last proper empires. Must have been glorious.
     
  17. Landon Caeli

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    That's a picture of the United States.
     
  18. Nine of Spades

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    Russia should ditch the all the superfluous idealism for democracy and return to their imperialist past. A new Russian empire would be an awesome thing. Putin should be the next czar. Too bad we have a democratic republic here in the US, otherwise Trump would have been King of America. That is far preferable to a terrible system that enables felons, welfare people, and other lowlifes the same political power as upstanding citizens who actually work for a living.
     
  19. Landon Caeli

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    Sarcasm running a little thick today? o_O:)
     
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