Romney or Obama?

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trientje

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Bush got us into this mess... how in any way was he better?

Come on Ellis, give credit where credit is due. It wasn't just Bush, it was also Clinton, Carter, And Obama has secured the most debt of any of the presidents and has not taken responsibility for any of it. Are we really doing better Ellis? 16 tr in debt. Thats better?
 
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Come on Ellis, give credit where credit is due. It wasn't just Bush, it was also Clinton, Carter, And Obama has secured the most debt of any of the presidents and has not taken responsibility for any of it. Are we really doing better Ellis? 16 tr in debt. Thats better?

And Reagan, who I happen to believe was the best president of the 20th century apart from maybe Eisenhower.

I also blame the Clinton administration for loosening the mortgage restrictions which ultimately lead to the sub prime mortgage collapse and killed the housing market... However some blame also must lay with Bush as he had a term and a bit to fix it before the crash.

However Bush was an economic nightmare for the country, and the mess he left simply can not be cleaned up in full in three years. The only point I'm making is blaming Obama because the economy isn't in rosy shape by now is silly.
 
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And Reagan, who I happen to believe was the best president of the 20th century apart from maybe Eisenhower.

I also blame the Clinton administration for loosening the mortgage restrictions which ultimately lead to the sub prime mortgage collapse and killed the housing market... However some blame also must lay with Bush as he had a term and a bit to fix it before the crash.

However Bush was an economic nightmare for the country, and the mess he left simply can not be cleaned up in full in three years. The only point I'm making is blaming Obama because the economy isn't in rosy shape by now is silly.

Obama has acquired more debt in 4 years than any other president. This guy is a nightmare. the most divisive president I have ever known. This mess with Llibya? Too many questions concerning this guy. Pro abortion, pro gay marriage. What is this guys agenda? Just too scary. I don't expect that the economy should be rosy by now but what has he done to help it? No, we need to get rid of him. I don't care, we need to elect someone else. We can't afford to let him give us another 4 years. But, if he is elected again then this nation gets what it deserves.
 
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I believe what I believe and I'm voting for Romney. He is a business man and MAYBE can help this nation.

MAYBE??!! You definitely need to read the following:

Mitt Romney Massachusetts Budget Targeted Programs For Poor, Disabled

A detailed Huffington Post review of Romney's budget proposals from his first year in office, however, reveals that he advocated deep cuts to programs serving the state's most vulnerable -- even when those cuts had little effect on the state's fiscal position. Romney's aggressive reductions to social programs did not earn support across the aisle. The state legislature ended up overriding more than 115 Romney vetoes in his first year as governor."There was no magic in the Romney approach," recalled former Democratic state Rep. Dan Bosley. It was "cut as many social programs as you can." Bosley added: "If we didn't override every one of his vetoes, we overrode most of his vetoes. … There wasn't a bipartisan effort to run government."

Romney targeted many programs that had been historically supported by both parties. He pushed to eliminate or gut more than 20 state programs serving veterans, disadvantaged children, and adults with severe physical disabilities. He also sought to cut money for breast cancer screenings, suicide prevention and programs that assisted the blind and the deaf.

These cuts would have totaled $26.8 million -- 2.2 percent of the $1.2 billion state budget deficit that Romney inherited upon taking office. None of these cuts were necessary for balancing the state's budget. All were overriden by the Democratic state legislature, and the state still closed its budget gap with room to spare.

Since these cuts were never enacted, Romney can technically tout a bipartisan budget record. The legislature eventually approved a budget that eliminated the deficit by closing tax loopholes for corporations, cutting other spending, and raising tolls
and licensing fees.

During his first year in office, the state legislature overrode Romney vetoes that would have imposed cuts of $7.5 million for children and young families, $3.8 million in mental health services, $2.8 million for cervical cancer and breast cancer detection and research, $1.1 million in services for people with physical disabilities and $1 million for veterans.Proponents of these programs said that while they had little impact on the state's overall budget, they were critical for the populations they served, and in many cases saved the state money on health care expenses and other costs.

Rebecca Haag, CEO of the AIDS Action Committee of Massachusetts, said Romney successfully slashed services for people living with AIDS/HIV by 23 percent during his time in office. Her organization, which provided housing assistance and transportation to medical appointments, had to stop taking new clients. "We had people coming in the doors looking for housing, but there were long wait lists," Haag said. "They're living in shelters, [under] highway bridges."At the time, Haag said there were roughly 1,000 new HIV/AIDS cases in the state per year. Without stable housing or reliable transportation, Haag said, there was the risk that residents might stop taking their medicine. "The key to managing your HIV infection is you have to take your drugs exactly when you are supposed to take them," she said. Otherwise, "They end up in the emergency room."

Romney's cuts meant bigger health care costs, Haag said. "When they entered office, they said they would be data-driven," she remembered of Romney's administration. "I actually think he was more ambitious-driven. The data showed the long-term impact of saving lives and health care costs. They took a very short-term view to cut those services."Romney had pushed for a 33 percent cut to legal aid lawyers who worked to protect employees from wage theft, tenants from unscrupulous landlords, and ensure that domestic violence victims received support in court. When the legislature fended off the cut, Romney vetoed the entire appropriation. For a moment at least, legal aid had zero funding."Mitt Romney was the first and only governor to veto the entire legal services budget," said Stefanie Balandis, senior attorney in the housing unit of[bless and do not curse]Greater Boston Legal Services. "There's always been a bipartisan support for the general concept of legal services to the poor."

Balandis said some of her cases included a severely mentally-ill woman being coerced into her own eviction and a 70-something Italian immigrant bricklayer living in uninhabitable conditions. "The idea of being so cavalier about this kind of essential legal service is stunning to me," she said. "It just shows an insensitivity to the basic needs of people living at the margins."

Other efforts inflicted more lasting pain. Romney's failure to maintain mental health services for poor children in Massachusetts landed him in a historic court battle. For nearly all of his tenure in office, Romney aggressively fought a class-action lawsuit seeking to improve services for more than 30,000 of the state's poor children. Romney lost, with a federal judge ordering the governor to end shortcomings in the state system, which was breaking up families and wasting taxpayer money."For someone who says he knows how to manage something, he certainly does not know how to manage services for lower-income people," said Steven Schwartz, lead attorney for those who sued the state.

Massachusetts was institutionalizing huge numbers of poor children on Medicaid for emotional issues -- autism, bipolar disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, for example -- who may have been treated more effectively through in-house care. Instead of receiving regular therapy, children were sent to an institution during severe breakdowns, a policy that bears similarities to Romney's recent suggestion that the uninsured should rely on hospital emergency rooms. But once these children were stable, psychiatric wards were unable to release them, since the state did not offer other treatment. With these wards charging as much as $800 a day, the state's bills were piling up. The scheme Romney attempted to preserve was wasting $70 million a year on these stuck kids."It was about breaking up families and removing kids rather than helping families.," Schwartz said. "Kids shouldn't have to choose between treatment and staying in school, or between treatment and living with their mom."

The lawsuit over children's mental health was filed under Gov. Jane Swift, but all of the major legal action happened under Romney. It was Romney, not Swift, who chose to fight the lawsuit rather than settle and adjust the state's programs. In a blistering decision issued in Romney's final year in office, U.S. District Judge Michael Ponsor rebuked the Romney administration for failing "the neediest of the needy."

"This is not a close case," Ponsor wrote. "The absence of these long-term services too often leaves ... children with only one option: expensive, clinically unnecessary and damaging confinement in a long-term residential program or hospital, far from home and family." Ponsor called the state's inadequacy "glaring" and "at times shocking in its consequences."
 
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