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Romney or Obama?

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by JoeyArnold, Oct 4, 2012.

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  1. JoeyArnold

    JoeyArnold Well-Known Member

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    worthless still actually means unworthy and then some
     
  2. Shemjaza

    Shemjaza Regular Member Supporter

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    Who you can beat half to death?
    Who you control the access to his family?
    (Man, I'm glad I don't have your boss).
     
  3. JoeyArnold

    JoeyArnold Well-Known Member

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    worth comes from the One who has it all
     
  4. Shane Roach

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    I knew this was going to start happening, which is why I made this summary. When you and your kind come up with anything this progressive, I will start listening to your pathetic attempts to demonize old testament economics.



     
  5. trientje

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    Out of curiosity, who is your boss
     
  6. JoeyArnold

    JoeyArnold Well-Known Member

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    worthless means that we need Christ in our lives
     
  7. JustMeSee

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    Wow, this thread has been seriously derailed.
     
  8. JoeyArnold

    JoeyArnold Well-Known Member

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    worthless also means obama
     
  9. rturner76

    rturner76 Senior Veteran Supporter

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    As a christian you would say a confessed Christian man has no worth?
     
  10. JoeyArnold

    JoeyArnold Well-Known Member

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    in ephesians it says that a christian inherits worthiness
     
  11. Dave Ellis

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    Seeing as this post wasn't directed to you... what's your point?

    I don't advocate banning legal or moral concepts for any reason. If there is an idea within a certain religion that is good, I am in favour of that idea.

    That being said, I don't know of a single good idea within a religion that is dependent upon that religion. I'm not saying there aren't good ideas within certain religions... but those good ideas would be good without that religion, and don't rely on religion to exist or be practical.

    I completely agree, you are fully within your rights to hold whatever belief or follow whatever religion you want to. I don't argue that, and I fully support your rights in that area.

    Define religious value. If the main backing for your legislation is based on what the bible says, that is a violation of church/state separation. You can argue whatever point you want, but you have to show why it's right or wrong from a non-religious perspective.

    Nice slippery slope fallacy... and a completely asinine argument as well
     
  12. Dave Ellis

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    Sure it does... if nobody can agree what the universal church is, then how can it possibly have power over the country?

    That's a great way to kick off a religious war.
     
  13. Dave Ellis

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    What a stunning rebuttal.... Do you expect me to retract my points based on that?

    Please, show me why I am wrong rather than using the ostrich defense.

    Which is why God ordered the Isrealites to conquer, kill, enslave and rape various other countries numerous times in the old testament.
     
  14. JoeyArnold

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    the universal church rules through morality
     
  15. Dave Ellis

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    Why would I explain that in terms other than YOU used? The point was, you have misstated what I said, and are trying to attack me based on an argument I never made.

    I don't think anyone who accepts Christianity is an idiot, far from it.... there's some very intelligent Christians out there, they just happen to be wrong about their religious beliefs. Francis Collins is a shining example of this.

    So please address my actual point.... are you disputing that Christianity teaches we are all unworthy sinners deserving of hell, and are therefore in need of salvation?
     
  16. Dave Ellis

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    How does an omnipotent being make a sacrifice while still remaining omnipotent? It makes no sense.

    Where on earth did you get that idea? I have never made that case, and am actually offended by the concept. I have far more respect for people, and believe everyone has worth whether they are doing something wrong or not.... mistakes happen.

    It's your religion that tries to show we are all unworthy, which is one of the reasons I believe it is immoral.

    You should open up a strawman business... you sure craft some top quality ones.

    Where was the sacrifice? Please explain to me what was sacrificed by god?
     
  17. JoeyArnold

    JoeyArnold Well-Known Member

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    worthless also means that things are not going to make sense
     
  18. Dave Ellis

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    That's quite convenient.
     
  19. Dave Ellis

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    The point he was referring to, and you are steering the topic away from is what Church should have control over government.

    So, go ahead, answer, which Church is the right one. The "universal" church is a non-answer, as every sect is going to think they are the universal church.
     
  20. JoeyArnold

    JoeyArnold Well-Known Member

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    the universe church is more about the principles and not about just the people
     
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