Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 6

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Continued from: Romans Chapter 5

Romans 6 (CLV)
1 What, then, shall we declare? That we may be persisting in sin that grace should be increasing? 2 May it not be coming to that!

Clearly Paul says here that we are not to sin!

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

Sin is transgressing the law.

Paul says not to transgress the law.

How do we not transgress the law?

We keep the law.

Paul says to keep the Torah!

We, who died to sin, how shall we still be living in it?

Thou shalt not!

Paul says, keep the Torah.


3 Or are you ignorant that whoever are baptized into Yahshua Ha'Mashiach, are baptized into His death?

We are dead to The Law of Sin and Death. That means we stop sinning.

4 We, then, were entombed together with Him through baptism into death, that, even as Mashiach was roused from among the dead through the glory of the Father, thus we also should be walking in newness of life."

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,

(CLV) Jn 14:6
Yahshua is saying to him, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one is coming to the Father except through Me.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of Elohim is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of Elohim.


5 For if we have become planted together in the likeness of His death, nevertheless we shall be of the resurrection also, 6 knowing this, that our old humanity was crucified together with Him, that the body of Sin may be nullified, for us by no means to be still slaving for Sin,

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.


The Law of Sin and Death was nailed to the torture stake with Yahshua, not the Torah!
If we have died with Yahshua; we will live with Yahshua; and walk as he walks.


7 for one who dies has been justified from Sin. 8 Now if we died together with Mashiach, we believe that we shall be living together with Him also,

Again, if we have died with Yahshua; we will live with Yahshua; and walk as he walks.

9 having perceived that Mashiach, being roused from among the dead, is no longer dying. Death is lording it over Him no longer,

Those who have died with Yahshua; and live with Yahshua; and walk as he walks; do not have the Law of Sin and Death lording over them.

In other words they are not under The Law of Sin and Death. They are not slaves of Satan. They are slaves of YHWH. They follow YHWH's word. Yahshua is his word. Yahshua follows the Torah.

10 for in that He died, He died to Sin once for all time, yet in that He is living, He is living to God." 11 Thus you also, be reckoning yourselves to be dead, indeed, to Sin, yet living to Elohim in Yahshua Ha'Mashiach, our Master."

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

We are to follow Yahshua. Yahshua died to the Law of Sin and Death, in obedience to YHWH's Torah.


12 Let not Sin, then, be reigning in your mortal body, for you to be obeying its lusts."

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

Don't obey The Law of Sin and Death.
Obey the Torah!




13 Nor yet be presenting your members, as implements of injustice, to Sin, but present yourselves to Elohim as if alive from among the dead, and your members as implements of righteousness to Elohim."

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS


14 For Sin shall not be lording it over you, for you are not under law, but under grace."

What law am I not under?


The Law of Life?

(CLV) Ro 8:2
for the spirit's law of life in Christ Jesus frees you from the law of sin and death.



The law that is written on my heart?

(CLV) Ro 2:15
whoa are displaying the action of the law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying together and their reckonings between one another, accusing or defending them,



The Law of Faith?

(CLV) Ro 3:27
Where, then, is boasting? It is debarred! Through what law? Of works? Not! But through faith's law.


The law that I'm sustaining?


(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.



Or.... maybe it could it be The Law of sin and Death?


(CLV) Ro 8:2
for the spirit's law of life in Christ Jesus frees you from the law of sin and death.


15 What then? Should we be sinning, seeing that we are not under law, but under grace? May it not be coming to that!"

Some believe that when they get a 'get out of jail free card', that it's a license to go on a crime spree.

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

If Paul abolished the law, then there is no law. If there is no law; there is no sin. If there is no sin; what need is there of grace? Grace for what?



16 Are you not aware that to whom you are presenting yourselves as slaves for obedience, his slaves you are, whom you are obeying, whether of Sin for death, or of Obedience for righteousness?

Obedience to what?

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

Obedience to the law!

Paul makes it clear here that you have only two choices. You will either be a slave of obedience to the law, or you will be a slave to transgression of the law. Either way you are a slave. The question is: who's slave?


17 Now thanks be to Elohim that you were slaves of Sin, yet you obey from the heart the type of teaching to which you were given over."

Obey what?

(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract with the house of Israel after those days, averring is YHWH: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.



18 Now, being freed from Sin, you are enslaved to Righteousness."

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS



19 As a man am I saying this, because of the infirmity of your flesh. For even as you present your members as slaves to Uncleanness and to Lawlessness for lawlessness, thus now present your members as slaves to Righteousness for holiness."

There's a new word. Sounds ritual.


20 For when you were slaves of Sin, you were free as to Righteousness."

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS


Free from sin, not free from YHWH's law. When you are free from sin; you are free to obey.

21 What fruit, then, had you then? - of which you are now ashamed, for, indeed, the consummation of those things is death."

Sin is the fruit of death. Good to know!

22 Yet, now, being freed from Sin, yet enslaved to Elohim, you have your fruit for holiness. Now the consummation is life eonian."

Obedience to YHWH's Torah is the fruit of holiness. Eating it is eternal life!

I guess that we should not eat the fruit of sin and death along with the fruit of holiness. That would be sort of like eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

23 For the ration of Sin is death, yet the gracious gift of Elohim is life eonian, in Yahshua Ha'Mashiach, our Master."

Hallelu YAH!





Legal Terms:

The Law of Faith (Ch 3)
A Different Law (Ch 7)
The Law of My Mind (Ch 7)
The Law of Sin (Sin's Law) (Ch 7)
God's Law (Ch 7)
The Spirit's Law of Life (Ch 8)
The Law of Sin and Death (Ch 8)
The Law of Righteousness (Ch 9)


Romans Chapter 7
 
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Here's my take on all this:

[Isa 51:6-7 KJV] 6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. 7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

When men revile you for not pursuing the living of the Law that they have tasked upon themselves, allegedly as some sort of measure of their love for God, and/or of solidifying their place in eternity, remember the words inspired by the Lord through such prophets as Isaiah, quoted above. Do the Law that He has placed within and upon your heart. WHO is in your heart? For those who truly follow Christ Jesus, He is the Spirit of the Most High, and who will guide you in every way.

[1Jo 2:27 KJV] 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

When you are in Christ Jesus, He is within you, and will teach you all things, as is emphatically stated above. The legalists will harangue , clamor and clink their chains of enslavement, beckoning you to become enslaved right along with them. The choice is yours. Hear and obey the Lord, or hear and obey them.

Who is truth?

[Jhn 14:6 KJV] 6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

The Law won't bring us to the Father. Why?

[Rom 7:6 KJV] 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.

[Heb 10:19 KJV] 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

[Heb 10:20 KJV] 20 "By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;"

What is upon and within YOUR heart?

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The Law won't bring us to the Father. Why?

Because Yahshua brings us to the Father.

You said it.


[Jhn 14:6 KJV] 6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

The law brings us to Yahshua.

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

[Jhn 14:6 KJV] 6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."


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THE WAY
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(CLV) Ex 18:20
You will warn them with the statutes and the laws and make known to them the way in which they shall go and the deeds which they shall do.

(CLV) Dt 10:12
And now, Israel, what is Yahweh your Elohim asking of you, save to fear Yahweh your Elohim, to walk in all His ways, to love Him and to serve Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul,

(CLV) Jos 22:5
But observe meticulously to keep the instruction and the law that M woses the servant of Yahweh enjoined on you: to love Yahweh your Elohim and to walk in all His ways, to observe His instructions, to cling to Him and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.

(CLV) 1Ki 2:3
You will keep the charge of Yahweh your Elohim to walk in His ways, to observe His statutes and His instructions, His ordinances and His testimonies as written in the law of Moses, so that you may act intelligently in all that you do and everywhere that you turn around,

(CLV) Ps 119:1
Happy are those whose way is flawless, Who are walking in the law of Yahweh.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,

(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.

(CLV) Mal 2:8
Yet you withdraw from the way. You cause many to stumble at the law. You ruin the covenant of Levi, says Yahweh of hosts.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

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THE TRUTH
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(CLV) Ps 119:142
Your righteousness is eonian righteousness, And Your law is truth.

(CLV) Mal 2:6
The law of truth, it came to be in his mouth, and iniquity, it was not found on his lips. In peace and in uprightness he walked with Me, and turned many back from depravity.

(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,

(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."

(CLV) Ro 2:20
a discipliner of the imprudent, a teacher of minors, having the form of knowledge and the truth in the law.

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THE LIFE
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(CLV) Jb 33:30
To restore his soul from the pit, To enlighten him with the light of the living.

(CLV) Ps 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life; In Your light shall we see light.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life

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THE LIGHT
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(CLV) Jn 8:12
Again, then, Jesus speaks to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world. He who is following Me should under no circumstances be walking in darkness, but will be having the light of life."

(CLV) Jb 24:13
They are among those revolting against the light; They neither recognize its ways Nor dwell in its tracks.

(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,

(CLV) Isa 51:4
Attend to Me, My people, And, My folk, give ear to Me! For a law shall go forth from Me, And My judgment for a light of the peoples.

(CLV) 2Co 6:14
Do not become diversely yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness? Or what communion has light with darkness?

(CLV) 1Jn 1:7
Yet if we should be walking in the light as He is in the light, we are having fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, is cleansing us from every sin.

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THE WORD
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(CLV) Jn 1:14
And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.

(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,

(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."

(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.


Yahshua is the living Torah!

If we walk in his ways; we walk in the Torah.



 
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Because Yahshua brings us to the Father.

You said it.


[Jhn 14:6 KJV] 6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

The law brings us to Yahshua.

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

Blessedly, I showed what OTHER of the scriptures said that you ignored. It is by the Law written upon out hearts by He whom it is said that we need no man to teach us, but that the anointing within us shall teach us ALL things.....not SOME thing, or a FEW things, but ALL things.

So, you go ahead and abide by the letter, and we will abide by the Spirit and the Law therein.

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Here's my take on all this:

[Isa 51:6-7 KJV] 6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. 7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.


Jr

Is that your take on Romans 6 ?

Certainly it is true that under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 the LAW is written on heart and mind and your text from Is 51 goes along with that
7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.


so then Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3
...

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, ..... 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
 
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Blessedly, I showed what OTHER of the scriptures said that you ignored. It is by the Law written upon out hearts by He whom it is said that we need no man to teach us, but that the anointing within us shall teach us ALL things.....not SOME thing, or a FEW things, but ALL things.

So, you go ahead and abide by the letter, and we will abide by the Spirit and the Law therein.

Jr

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(CLV) Jn 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone should be loving Me, he will be keeping My word, and My Father will be loving him, and We shall be coming to him and making an abode with him.

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,
 
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so then Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3

How does that tie in with the Law written upon the hearts of us who are in Christ Jesus? Who here said anything about living any way we want? Did you see that somewhere in here?

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, ..... 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Ok, so what's your point?

Jr
 
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John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(CLV) Jn 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone should be loving Me, he will be keeping My word, and My Father will be loving him, and We shall be coming to him and making an abode with him.

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

You go ahead and keep the Law by your external exercises and whatever else you do. As for me, I will live the Law because He has written it upon my heart, which is a place you cannot corrupt with your legalism. You are no judge of me or anyone else here, so rattling your chains simply is not a lure to me.

Live by whatever your conscience drives you to live.

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I posted this

Here's my take on all this:

[Isa 51:6-7 KJV] 6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. 7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.


Jr

Is that your take on Romans 6 ?

Certainly it is true that under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 the LAW is written on heart and mind and your text from Is 51 goes along with that
7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.


so then Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3
...

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, ..... 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?



How does that tie in with the Law written upon the hearts of us who are in Christ Jesus?

1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" -- even in the NT
Where that LAW includes the one having the 5th commandment "As the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2
Romans 6 directs us not to sin - not to have sin rule over us. Where sin is transgression of the LAW

Romans 7 reminds us that the LAW that defined sin also includes the TEN where we have "do not covet". Romans 13 reminds us that it includes the same commandments that Christ quotes in Matthew 19 regarding the category of "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

Romans 6 is describing how saints live who are under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 - with that Law known to Jeremiah "written on heart and mind"
 
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I will live the Law because He has written it upon my heart, which is a place you cannot corrupt with your legalism.

What is the difference between living by the law, and legalism?

Since you have his law written on your heart; would you do me a huge favor?

Would you start in Genesis 1:1 and write down every law that was given to us, in the order that they appear in the Bible?

Judaism says that there are 613; but I know better. I know that there are more.

For someone who has all of this written in his heart; this should be a rather simple task. taking maybe an hour or so; but it would mean so much to me. It would take me years of hard study to accomplish this; and even then, I might miss something.

Thank you so much, in advance!

I'd like to memorize his law by heart.
 
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1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" -- even in the NT
Where that LAW includes the one having the 5th commandment "As the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2
Romans 6 directs us not to sin - not to have sin rule over us. Where sin is transgression of the LAW

Romans 7 reminds us that the LAW that defined sin also includes the TEN where we have "do not covet". Romans 13 reminds us that it includes the same commandments that Christ quotes in Matthew 19 regarding the category of "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

Romans 6 is describing how saints live who are under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 - with that Law known to Jeremiah "written on heart and mind"

This is straw man nonsense. It has no bearing upon what I have been saying to you. I pointed out the scriptures that also address the Law written upon our hearts, and you continue gravitating toward transgressing the Law. How you continue to make that connection I simply don't understand.

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I posted this

Here's my take on all this:

[Isa 51:6-7 KJV] 6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. 7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.


Jr

Is that your take on Romans 6 ?

Certainly it is true that under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 the LAW is written on heart and mind and your text from Is 51 goes along with that
7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.


so then Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3
...

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, ..... 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?



How does that tie in with the Law written upon the hearts of us who are in Christ Jesus?

1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" -- even in the NT
Where that LAW includes the one having the 5th commandment "As the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2
Romans 6 directs us not to sin - not to have sin rule over us. Where sin is transgression of the LAW

Romans 7 reminds us that the LAW that defined sin also includes the TEN where we have "do not covet". Romans 13 reminds us that it includes the same commandments that Christ quotes in Matthew 19 regarding the category of "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

Romans 6 is describing how saints live who are under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 - with that Law known to Jeremiah "written on heart and mind"



This is straw man nonsense.

It is scripture - accept it or reject it... the choice is yours... you have free will and can choose as you wish.

I pointed out the scriptures that also address the Law written upon our hearts,

That's from Jer 31:31-34 and quoted in the NT again in Heb 8:6-12 ... unchanged.

And we all know that when Jeremiah says to his readers that under the NEW Covenant - God writes His LAW on the heart and mind... it most certainly includes the TEN spoken by Christ (God the Son) at Sinai which is the unit of LAW where as Paul said "the first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment Eph 6:1-2
 
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Romans 6 is describing how saints live who are under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 - with that Law known to Jeremiah "written on heart and mind"

This is a point that I've overlooked in the past. YHWH told Jeremiah of a new covenant; but he made no mention of any new law.
 
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What is the difference between living by the law, and legalism?

Good question. Let's look at what the legalists did, and how they were addressed for such:

[Mat 23:23 KJV] 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Therein is the difference between memorizing all 600+ laws, and being completely devoid of the Law written upon the heart. All the head knowledge in the world will avail nothing, but when the Law Giver fills the heart, THAT is where and how one is empowered to LIVE the Law in far greater power and victory over sin. Therein is why I never set out to memorize nor to make a second career learning the Law because He who is the WAY and TRUTH and the LIFE is within me. How could I possibly hope to improve upon His indwelling presence?

Like I said before, I would never stand in the way of you or anyone else studying the Law if that is what the Lord is moving you and others to do. Go for it. As for me, that is not the path He has set me upon. Knowing all the Law doesn't make one better than those who do not know it with head knowledge. Being led by the Spirit is far superior. Jesus would never have had to show what those pharisees and scribes really were, with all their head knowledge, had they also had the Law of the Lord written on their hearts and minds.

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It is scripture - accept it or reject it... the choice is yours... you have free will and can choose as you wish.

Well, I can see that you just refuse to get it. The clarity of my words were just that.....clear, and you continue throwing up the roadblocks of false innuendo and misrepresentation.

Be warm and well fed.

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So, what do you say are the parts of the Law of Moses that apply to us today?

The whole Bible is as valuable to us today, as when it was written down for us.

When Yahshua says that nothing will pass from the Torah before heaven and earth; which parts do you believe have passed?
 
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This is a point that I've overlooked in the past. YHWH told Jeremiah of a new covenant; but he made no mention of any new law.

True - the term LAW was already known to Jeremiah - and there is "no NEW Law" as you say -- rather it is a new covenant "a new contract" a "new agreement" where that LAW which includes things like "Do not take God's name in vain" exists inwardly on heart and mind. (so then the New Creation, the New Birth, the New Heart etc)

Because if it is external only - it can only point out sin, it can only condemn as Rom 3:19-20 points out.
 
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I posted this

Here's my take on all this:

[Isa 51:6-7 KJV] 6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. 7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.


Jr

Is that your take on Romans 6 ?

Certainly it is true that under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 the LAW is written on heart and mind and your text from Is 51 goes along with that
7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.


so then Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3
...

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, ..... 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?



How does that tie in with the Law written upon the hearts of us who are in Christ Jesus?

1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" -- even in the NT
Where that LAW includes the one having the 5th commandment "As the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2
Romans 6 directs us not to sin - not to have sin rule over us. Where sin is transgression of the LAW

Romans 7 reminds us that the LAW that defined sin also includes the TEN where we have "do not covet". Romans 13 reminds us that it includes the same commandments that Christ quotes in Matthew 19 regarding the category of "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

Romans 6 is describing how saints live who are under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 - with that Law known to Jeremiah "written on heart and mind"



This is straw man nonsense.

It is scripture - accept it or reject it... the choice is yours... you have free will and can choose as you wish.

I pointed out the scriptures that also address the Law written upon our hearts,

That's from Jer 31:31-34 and quoted in the NT again in Heb 8:6-12 ... unchanged.

And we all know that when Jeremiah says to his readers that under the NEW Covenant - God writes His LAW on the heart and mind... it most certainly includes the TEN spoken by Christ (God the Son) at Sinai which is the unit of LAW where as Paul said "the first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment Eph 6:1-2

Well, I can see that you just refuse to get it. The clarity of my words were just that.....clear,

The clarity of those texts I just quoted are ... clear.

In the mean time you can choose whatever you wish.. you have free will.
 
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