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Romans 8:22-25 Hope

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by GingerBeer, Mar 14, 2018.

  1. GingerBeer

    GingerBeer Well-Known Member

    Romans 8:22-25 mentions being save in or by hope. Does it mean that Christians hope for salvation?
  2. Tree of Life

    Tree of Life Aspiring Puritan Supporter

    United States
    Yes we do hope for salvation.

    Our salvation is in one sense complete. Jesus cried out on the cross "It is finished". Hebrews says that by one sacrifice he has made perfect for all time those who are being made holy (Hebrews 10:14).

    In another sense, we are in the process of being saved. We experience daily deliverance from sin and the devil as we journey through this sad world.

    And yet in another sense we are not yet fully saved. We await the redemption of our bodies, the return of Christ, final judgment, and final salvation.
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  3. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

    For some or even for most Christians, that may be all they have - "hope".
  4. Halbhh

    Halbhh Hubble telescope saw in empty sky....galaxies! Supporter

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    Well, the wording "we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently."

    Is looking forward to the life to come, even while still continuing to be changed over time here and now. Paul writes in Philippians --

    12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

  5. fhansen

    fhansen Oldbie

    Historically, based primarily on 1 Cor 13:14, the Church has recognized three "theological virtues": faith, hope, and love. All three of these are seen to be gifts, works of grace in us. Hope is characterized as more than mere hope in the way we generally think of the term, but more as a confidence or trust, in the promises God has given us by His revelation.
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  6. Sam91

    Sam91 Child of the Living God Supporter

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    Biblically 'hope' means slightly different to the way we use it. I hope and trust that this link is useful to you.

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  7. GingerBeer

    GingerBeer Well-Known Member

    The video was useful and informative.
  8. com7fy8

    com7fy8 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There is hoping with assurance of what we hope for; but there are people whose hoping is with doubt.

    Christian hope is with assurance, because of how God has proven Himself to us.

    "Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

    Our Father's correction of our character is included on our assurance that we are His children being prepared to spend all eternity as family with our Heavenly Father and our Groom Jesus > Hebrews 12:4-11.

    Also, His love is perfected in us, "that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17)
  9. faroukfarouk

    faroukfarouk Fading curmudgeon

    There's a certainty to Biblical hope! :)

    1 Thess. 1.10 says: "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come."
  10. Ron Gurley

    Ron Gurley What U See is What U Get!

    United States
    Romans 8: 24-25
    24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is SEEN is not hope;
    for who hopes for what he already sees?
    25 But if we hope for what we do NOT SEE,
    with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. (sanctification!)

    in hope...Greek 1680....elpis...
    2.expectation of good, hope
    1.in the Christian sense:
    1.joyful and confident expectation of eternal salvation
    3.on hope, in hope, having hope
    1.the author of hope, or he who is its foundation
    2.the thing hoped for

    Hebrews 11:1[ The Triumphs of Faith ]
    Now FAITH is
    the assurance of things HOPED for,
    the conviction of things not SEEN.

    of things hoped for...Greek 1679...elpizō...
    1.to hope
    1.in a religious sense, to wait for salvation (sanctification!) with joy and full confidence
    2.hopefully to trust in
  11. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

    The hope of our salvation, which the Apostle is speaking of, is the resurrection of the dead and the renewal of creation. Apart from this hope there is no salvation.

    It isn't this hope that is the cause of our salvation, it is instead the point of our salvation. As the Apostle says in 1 Corinthians 15, if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen, and if Christ is not risen then we are dead in our sins, our faith meaningless, and we are, above all people, the most pitiful.

  12. GingerBeer

    GingerBeer Well-Known Member

    Heb 11:1; 11:27; 1P 1:8 appear to be related passages.

    Faith is the assurance of what we hope for, being certain of what we cannot see. The examples chosen show that faith cannot remain within us as an intimate conviction. What matters is to act according to faith and make decisions inspired by faith. That is why this chapter offers so many biblical examples of men and women who risked everything for faith. We cannot understand the obedience of Abraham unless he had hope in God against all visible evidence. The same when Moses gave up a promising future for the impossible task of leading his people: his faith made him act in the present as if he saw what was invisible (v. 27).

    You have not yet seen him… (1 Peter 1:8). Faith, hope, and love for Christ: the three grace gifts (or powers) urging Christians, go together. Christ came to glory through suffering. The Christian follows the same path and already knows true joy in the midst of Earthly trials.
  13. Bible2+

    Bible2+ Matthew 4:4

    Yes, in the sense of ultimate salvation.

    In the Bible, the difference between initial salvation and ultimate salvation is that initial salvation is the salvation which Christians have now (Ephesians 2:5), in their mortal bodies, while ultimate salvation is the salvation ready to be revealed in the last time (1 Peter 1:5), and which is always drawing nearer (Romans 13:11), that salvation which Christians are still hoping for (1 Thessalonians 5:8, Romans 8:23-25, Mark 10:30), and which Jesus Christ will bring to obedient Christians at His future, Second Coming (Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 5:9), when He will resurrect (if dead) or change (if alive) their mortal physical bodies into immortal physical bodies just like the immortal physical body which Jesus obtained at His resurrection on the third day after His death (Luke 24:39,46; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4,21-23,51-53, Philippians 3:21, Romans 8:23-25, Philippians 3:11-14).

    Romans 8:23 . . . even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
    24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
    25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.