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Romans 1:3 and geneologies in matthew and luke

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Br4nd0n, Sep 20, 2021.

  1. Br4nd0n

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    What do i do with that? Romans 1:3 states decendent of david through the flesh but the geneologies go to joseph. Obviously im looking at it wrong and am missing something....if there was a thread in this before, i will say, i tried using the search bar and am clearly inept at doing so, lol. Need a tutorial or something.
     
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  2. Abaxvahl

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    Descendant doesn't have to me immediate. You descend from your great-great-great-great-grandfather even though he is not the same person as your immediate father. St. Joseph was a descendant of David and was the legal father of Jesus. Mary was also a descendant of David and was the biological mother of Jesus. Therefore in both cases Jesus is a descendant of David.
     
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  3. pescador

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    Romans 1:3, "concerning his Son who was a descendant of David with reference to the flesh"

    Matthew 1:1, "This is the record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

    No conflict...
     
  4. St_Worm2

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    Hello @Br4nd0n, this may help.

    Matthew 1
    16 Jacob was the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah.

    Luke 3
    23 When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli (or Heli).

    Joseph is the natural son of Jacob.

    Joseph is also the "son" of Eli (or Heli) because of his marriage to Mary.

    This tells us that the Davidic bloodline in Luke is Mary's lineage, not Joseph's. This is how genealogies were written in 1st Century Israel (IOW, women were rarely included). Interestingly however, Tamar, the daughter-in-law of Judah, Rahab, the Harlot, and Ruth, the Moabite, are included as part of the bloodline that runs from Abraham, to David, to Joseph, to Jesus in Matthew 1.

    God bless you!

    --David
     
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    It is also interesting to note that not only is the Lord Jesus King David's "Son" (by both blood and by marriage), as God/David's "Creator" .. e.g. John 1:1-3, He is also King David's "Father".

    Revelation 22
    16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
    --David

    Matthew 22
    41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question:
    42 “What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They said to Him, “The son of David.”
    43 He said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
    44 ‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,
    “SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,
    UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET” ’?
    45 “If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?
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  6. Clare73

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    Mary is a descendant of David through Nathan, not Solomon.
    Joseph is a descendant of David through Solomon, the kingly line.
    Joseph is the legal father of Jesus, making Jesus legally from the kingly line.
    Jesus is naturally (by nature/birth) the Son of the Divine Omnipotentate.
     
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  7. Br4nd0n

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    Thank you David :) i knew i was missing something, i really enjoyed reading your posts
     
  8. BrotherJJ

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    Matthew, Luke, Mary, Joseph & Jesus genealogies

    Joseph was descended from David from Solomon. While Mary was a descendant of Solomon’s older brother Nathan.

    Mary had to find a husband from the tribe of Judah like herself to protect her father’s estate. (See Numbers 36:6-9)

    She also needed a direct descendant of Solomon to perfect her son’s claim to the throne of David, since Nathan’s descendants weren’t of the Royal line.

    Joseph fit the bill on both accounts but like every other descendant of Solomon’s carried a blood curse disqualifying any biological son of his from ever being King of Israel. (Jeremiah 22:28-30)

    Since Joseph was not the Lord’s biological father, he could adopt Him, qualifying Him to be King without passing Him the curse.

    Jesus via adoption becomes the only One in Israel qualified to sit on David’s throne, and remains so to this day.

    There are two recorded lineages of Jesus. One from Mary & another from Joseph. Thus, Jesus became Joseph’s actual son via ADOPTION. Old testament adoption gives the child complete equaility & all the benefits of a natural born child.

    Simpler explanation:

    Jesus differing genealogies are a result of Matthew's account being Mary's line, and Luke's being Joseph's line

    Matthew is about Messiah as King. Luke is about Messiah as the son of man.
     
  9. BeyondET

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    the linage splits like so.


    Mt1:1

    A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:

    Mt1:17

    Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David,
    Fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.

    (14) ~ generations ~ Mt1:6b: (1st) David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,

    Mt1:7
    (2nd) Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
    (3rd) Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
    (4th) Abijah the father of Asa,

    Mt1:8

    (5th) Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
    (6th) Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
    (7th) Jehoram the father of Uzziah,

    Mt1:9

    (8th) Uzziah the father of Jotham,
    (9th) Jotham the father of Ahaz,
    (10th) Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

    Mt1:10

    (11th) Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
    (12th) Manasseh the father of Amon,
    (13th) Amon the father of Josiah,

    Mt1:11 and (14th) Josiah the father of (Jeconiah) and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.

    (14) ~ generations ~ Mt1:12

    After the exile to Babylon:

    (1st) Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
    (2nd) Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,


    Mt1:13

    (3rd) Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
    (4th) Abiud the father of Eliakim,
    (5th) Eliakim the father of Azor,

    Mt1:14

    (6th) Azor the father of Zadok,
    (7th) Zadok the father of Akim,
    (8th) Akim the father of Eliud,

    Mt1:15

    (9th) Eliud the father of Eleazar,
    (10th) Eleazar the father of Matthan,
    (11th) Matthan the father of Jacob,

    Mt1:16

    and (12th) Jacob the father of (13th) Joseph,
    the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus,
    who is called (14th) Christ.

    (40) ~ generations ~ Lk3:23

    Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old, when he began his ministry. [Baptism]
    He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, and the son of (40th) Heli, [Mary’s father]

    Lk3:24

    the son of (39th) Matthat,
    the son of (38th) Levi,
    the son of (37th) Melki,
    the son of (36th) Jannai,
    the son of (35th) Joseph,

    Lk3:25

    the son of (34th) Mattathias,
    the son of (33rd) Amos,
    the son of (32nd) Nahum,
    the son of (31st) Esli,
    the son of (30th) Naggai,

    Lk3:26

    the son of (29th) Maath,
    the son of (28th) Mattathias,
    the son of (27th) Semein,
    the son of (26th) Josech,
    the son of (25th) Joda,

    Lk3:27

    the son of (24th) Joanan,
    the son of (23rd) Rhesa,
    the son of (22nd) Zerubbabel,
    the son of (21st) Shealtiel,
    the son of (20th) Neri,

    Lk3:28

    the son of (19th) Melki,
    the son of (18th) Addi,
    the son of (17th) Cosam,
    the son of (16th) Elmadam,
    the son of (15th) Er,

    Lk3:29

    the son of (14th) Joshua,
    the son of (13th) Eliezer,
    the son of (12th) Jorim,
    the son of (11th) Matthat,
    the son of (10th) Levi,

    Lk3:30

    the son of (9th) Simeon,
    the son of (8th) Judah,
    the son of (7th) Joseph,
    the son of (6th) Jonam,
    the son of (5th) Eliakim,

    Lk3:31

    the son of (4th) Melea,
    the son of (3rd) Menna,
    the son of (2nd) Mattatha,
    the son of (1st) Nathan,
    the son of David,


    (14) ~ generations

    Mt1:6a: and (13th) Jesse the father of (14th) King David. Lk3:32a: the son of Jesse,


    Mt1:5c: (12th) Obed the father of Jesse, Lk3:32b: the son of Obed,

    Mt1:5b: (11th) Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Lk3:32c: the son of Boaz,

    Mt1:5a: (10th) Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Lk3:32d: the son of Salmon,


    Mt1:4c: (9th) Nahshon the father of Salmon, Lk3:32e: the son of Nahshon,

    Mt1:4b: (8th) Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Lk3:33a: the son of Amminadab,

    Mt1:4a: (7th) Ram the father of Amminadab, Lk3:33b: the son of Ram,


    Mt1:3c: (6th) Hezron the father of Ram, Lk3:33c: the son of Hezron,

    Mt1:3b: (5th) Perez the father of Hezron, Lk3:33d: the son of Perez,

    Mt1:3a: (4th) Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Lk3:33e: the son of Judah,


    Mt1:2c: (3rd) Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, Lk3:34a: the son of Jacob,

    Mt1:2b: (2nd) Isaac the father of Jacob, Lk3:34b: the son of Isaac,

    Mt1:2a: (1st) Abraham was the father of Isaac, Lk3:34c: the son of Abraham,


    (20) ~ generations

    Lk3:34d: the son of (20th) Terah,
    Lk3:34e: the son of (19th) Nahor,

    Lk3:35

    the son of (18th) Serug,
    the son of (17th) Reu,
    the son of (16th) Peleg,
    the son of (15th) Eber,
    the son of (14th) Shelah,

    Lk3:36

    the son of (13th) Cainan,
    the son of (12th) Arphaxad,
    the son of (11th) Shem,
    the son of (10th) Noah,
    the son of (9th) Lamech,

    Lk3:37

    the son of (8th) Methuselah,
    the son of (7th) Enoch,
    the son of (6th) Jared,
    the son of (5th) Mahalalel,
    the son of (4th) Kenan,

    Lk3:38

    the son of (3rd) Enosh,
    the son of (2nd) Seth,
    the son of (1st) Adam,
    the son of God.
     
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