Roman church errors and inventions

[Thekla]

In the early 1980's, rightists distributed pamphlets calling on Salvadorans to "be a patriot, kill a priest." Every night, death squads linked to the army used to dump dozens of mutilated bodies on the streets.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E7D61F39F932A25752C1A966958260

 

[christianmomof3]

http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff09172005.html


Its not just "over there and back then".
How about looking in our own back yard.

Hatred is hatred - and hatred for any Church (RC or otherwise) may have consequences for the persons we say we love anyway.

sadly, there are still catholics persecuting Christians today as well

In the indigenous region of Chiapas state, traditional Catholics – a blend of Catholicism and native religious practices – are more frequently being accused of various acts of religious intolerance against protestants, such as “threats, intimidation, and robbery or expulsion from their communities, or death,”

http://christianpost.com/article/20...ingly-persecuted-by-traditional-catholics.htm

we should be those who love one another

 

[Thekla]

a blend of Catholicism and native religious practices

I'm sorry, this sounds like anti-RC propaganda straight from the 80s

 

[Philothei]

who is throwig stones on glass houses?

 

[Philothei]

Why do you have and support corporate Churches here while you blame other "corporations" such as RCC???

Both to these "corporations' work with an agenda ...Why then throw stones while you live in glass houses then??

 

[Anglian]

On the subject of stones, if one were to judge from the number of them cast in this thread, we should indeed have to assume that there had been very many immaculate conceptions.

Peace,

Anglian

 

[miguel_de_luis]

All the Orthodox people here have shown to be extremely wise, but Anglian

you rock!

 

[Meshavrischika]

Well isn't this a fun thread.

those were my thoughts too and I'm so far from catholic we couldn't even see each other, much less agree on doctrine...

sorry LLOJ... I think it's totally inappropriate to point fingers when no one can say that they have not "invented" anything (that is part of a denomination of any type)

why can't we just discuss issues and not groups of people?

 

[Canaan-84]

When something pagan is renamed as something Christian, that is flat out wrong. There is no way around that, no matter how you try and justify it.

If you take a lion, give it a haircut and some colour and call it a tiger, is it still a lion? Bet you it is.

The reason why this was done is simple and sad. People who were in the Roman empire had grown up with worshipping various deities, many of which originated in Babylon. In order to placate the masses and make Christianity more palatable to them, there was an adoption of many of the pagan gods, rites and rituals into Christianity. It was largely a political move to make the empire more cohesive and a move by some who 'couldn't see the harm' in making compromises to get more people through the door.

God doesn't compromise.

The same can be said about the stories in the Bible, from the #12 of the apostles and the star in the sky when Jesus was born come from pagan myths as well as the son of God born through a mortal has pagan roots. The after life is an idea originated from pagans (the Egyptians). The concept of the Devil also has a pagan origin (zoroastism), etc.

So, if you're going to attack RCC you also need to ask why the Bible has borrowed from pagan myths. However, like someone else here mentioned just because something preceded another it does not make them equal.

 

[Philothei]

Those are ridiculous claims and drawing parallels such as based ONLY in practice all religions share the same to some degree...as worship is common to human experience it proves that man has an innate inclination towards a diety that is God..

 

[Thekla]

Those are ridiculous claims and drawing parallels such as based ONLY in practice all religions share the same to some degree...as worship is common to human experience it proves that man has an innate inclination towards a diety that is God..

not "homo sapien", but "homo doxa"

 

[Canaan-84]

Those are ridiculous claims and drawing parallels such as based ONLY in practice all religions share the same to some degree...as worship is common to human experience it proves that man has an innate inclination towards a diety that is God..

It's not ridiculous, I mentioned these parallels to show that the Church shouldn't be attacked for having similarities between pagans when the Bible itself shares some connections to myths that originated before the Christianity and Judaism.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

those were my thoughts too and I'm so far from catholic we couldn't even see each other, much less agree on doctrine...

sorry LLOJ... I think it's totally inappropriate to point fingers when no one can say that they have not "invented" anything (that is part of a denomination of any type)

why can't we just discuss issues and not groups of people?

Greetings. Well there appears to be 2 groups with 2 different sets of doctrines/dogmas. The Roman Catholic Church aka "Catholicism" and Non-Roman Catholics "Protestatism".
Why do you think there are so many threads on the Catholics on the GT board

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6864318&page=44
Why so many Catholic/pope threads?

2 Peter 3:12 Toward seeming/expecting and hastening the Parousia of the, of the God, Day, thru which heavens being fired/purou-menoi <4448> (5746) shall be being dissolved and elements/stoiceia <4747> burning/kausoumena <2741> (5746) being melted.

Reve 18:11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over her, because no one is not still buying their merchandise/cargo 12 merchandise/cargoes of gold, and of silver, and of precious stone, and of pearl, and of fine linen, and of purple,

 

[Meshavrischika]

because they're one of the few who openly say "we know the one and only way" though many protestants say the same thing behind closed doors.

 

[Anglian]

2 Clement. 13.3-4 seem of relevance, perhaps:

For when outsiders hear the sayings of our God from our mouths they are astonished at their beauty and greatness. Then when they discover that our actions do not match our words, they turn from astonishment to blasphemy, saying that our faith is some kind of myth or error. For on the one hand, they hear from us that God has said: 'It is no great accomplishment for you to love those who love you; it is great if you love your enemies and those who hate you.' And when they hear these things, they are astonished by their extraordinary goodness. But when they see that we fail to love not only those who hate us, but even those who love us, they ridicule us and the name is blasphemed.

As it was then, is now, but one day ...?

Peace,

Anglian

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

because they're one of the few who openly say "we know the one and only way" though many protestants say the same thing behind closed doors.

And some of us search the Scriptures to see if these things are so.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

John 5:39 "Ye are searching the Writings that ye are seeming in them life age-during to be having, and those are the ones-testifying about Me".

2Peter 3:16 As also/and in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things; in which are difficult to understand any which the un-learned and un-steadfast are wresting/twisting as also the rest of Writings, toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>. [# 684 used reve 17:8, 11]

 

[Philothei]

It's not ridiculous, I mentioned these parallels to show that the Church shouldn't be attacked for having similarities between pagans when the Bible itself shares some connections to myths that originated before the Christianity and Judaism.

Typology as far as the coming of the son of God is present in other 'revelations" no objection there... It is part of the "spermatikos" logos. But that is not what I am talking about....I think we crossed wires somewhere here...

 

[Meshavrischika]

writings at that point were the OT scriptures and they were likely referring to prophecy. (not that I disagree with the idea of reading scripture and understanding the err in thinking that way - but really - lots of denoms think that... why not pick on them?)

 

[Anglian]

And so we should love one another, that we may all enter the Kingdom of God,. While we have time to be healed, let us give ourselves over to the God who brings healing, paying Him what is due. And what is that? Repentance from a sincere heart.
[2 Clement 10.6-8]

Peace,

Anglian

 

[Philothei]

Greetings. Well there appears to be 2 groups with 2 different sets of doctrines/dogmas. The Roman Catholic Church aka "Catholicism" and Non-Roman Catholics "Protestatism".
Why do you think there are so many threads on the Catholics on the GT board

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6864318&page=44
Why so many Catholic/pope threads?

2 Peter 3:12 Toward seeming/expecting and hastening the Parousia of the, of the God, Day, thru which heavens being fired/purou-menoi <4448> (5746) shall be being dissolved and elements/stoiceia <4747> burning/kausoumena <2741> (5746) being melted.

Reve 18:11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over her, because no one is not still buying their merchandise/cargo 12 merchandise/cargoes of gold, and of silver, and of precious stone, and of pearl, and of fine linen, and of purple,

Wonderful!!! After so many discussions and the Orthodox still get "put together" with the RC!! some things never change... in GT...