Roman church errors and inventions

[Rick Otto]

LOL!

Man I wonder what you are like when sitting around having a beer or two.

Dude! I'm almost 53. I got stories. Loads of 'em.
You bring the beer.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dude! I'm almost 53. I got stories. Loads of 'em.
You bring the beer.

Back in 1969 while in the service, we were out drinking and I drank so much beer, rum, bourban that I actually drank myself sober!!!!No lie! But I also ran over one of my buddies with the car door when backing up

 

[Morrigu]

Prior to my conversion, I said the same thing, word for word.

Sure, if that works for you. But its not my case.

 

[E.C.]

Get over the gates of hell prevailing?
You realize that is what is (typicaly) equated with an error in teaching, your imperial highness?

Nah, just they (mostly Protestants) need to get over things that their apparent "enemy" (Roman Catholic Church) did during the Reformation. That being said, the Protestants also need to take the accountability to persecutions of Roman Catholics in Protestant lands (England and Ireland anyone?) and not to forget overall ill will towards Catholics (Irish immigrants 1840s anyone?)

! We'd better be thinking about how we're going to answer Jesus when he asks us about our own. We are to forgive others for what they have done, as Christ Himself pointed out in the Gospels in at least 4 places. He says if we do not forgive others their sins, the Father does not forgive us ours. Also, both the Lord's Prayer ("Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us") and the Beatitudes ("Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy") reiterate the same thing. God is the ultimate parent--He knows that sometimes you have to give your kids some negative incentive to do the right things--like, if you don't forgive or show mercy to others, you aren't getting it from me either. I do have to say that I admire Pope John Paul II for forgiving the person that tried to assassinate him. That is what Christ calls for us to do--and to love, pray for, and do good to even our worst enemies. Jesus threw out "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

Every person and every denomination has committed sins and errors that they will have to take responsibility for and repent for (of course, repentence means taking total responsibility for our sins and errors and turning from them each time we fall into it) these. One of Satan's biggest tricks is to get us focused on the sins and errors of other people instead of concentrating on our own. On Judgment Day, Christ is not going to be sidetracked. He will be focusing on each one of us, and He's not going to let us get away with trying to get sidetracked into discussing other people's sins and errors.

What's the old verse, adage or proverb?

"Take out the plank in your own eye so you can see the sliver in your brother's eye"? Something like that...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by tadoflamb
Prior to my conversion, I said the same thing, word for word.

Sure, if that works for you. But its not my case.

What would work for you?

 

[Morrigu]

What would work for you?

hahahahah, well knowlodge, experiencing, feeling, living and coming to my own conclutions, not the ones handed by some book.

 

[PraiseToHim]

hahahahah, well knowlodge, experiencing, feeling, living and coming to my own conclutions, not the ones handed by some book.

No even if it's the Word of God?

 

[Morrigu]

No even if it's the Word of God?

its a book, its no more the word of a god than the scriptures of any other culture

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Nah, just they (mostly Protestants) need to get over things that their apparent "enemy" (Roman Catholic Church) did during the Reformation. That being said, the Protestants also need to take the accountability to persecutions of Roman Catholics in Protestant lands (England and Ireland anyone?) and not to forget overall ill will towards Catholics (Irish immigrants 1840s anyone?)


What's the old verse, adage or proverb?

"Take out the plank in your own eye so you can see the sliver in your brother's eye"? Something like that...

Or take the sliver out of thy own eye so you can better see the plank in thy brother's eyes?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

um, I got one, well kind of, not an error by the Pope but some errors made by a Catholic King and Catholic Monk.
Luthernism and Anglicanism

What error was that just out of curiosity?

 

[Canaan-84]

Inventions:
-Infallability of the Pope
-Papal supremacy
-Immaculate coneption
-purgatory
Errors:
-Vatican I and II(not the councells but their decisions....although II was worse than I)
-indulgencies
-crusades
-Vatican City.... (never should have been a "seperate state"but goes hand in hand with the Papal supreority)

How are the crusades an error? You do know that Islamic nations were expanding and taking nations by force some of which were Christian. The Crusades were called to protect pilgrims on their journey, protect remaining lands from Islamic threat and to try and claim back the nations they had lost. I don't see how it's an error when it was established out of defense.

 

[christianmomof3]

How are the crusades an error? You do know that Islamic nations were expanding and taking nations by force some of which were Christian. The Crusades were called to protect pilgrims on their journey, protect remaining lands from Islamic threat and to try and claim back the nations they had lost. I don't see how it's an error when it was established out of defense.

Weren't many innocent Christians as well as many other innocent people killed during the crusades?
What about the Inquisition? Do you think that also was ok?

 

[Rick Otto]

Surgical premptive strikes hadn't been invented yet.
Pre-strike promotion was in its early stages.

 

[Canaan-84]

Weren't many innocent Christians as well as many other innocent people killed during the crusades?
What about the Inquisition? Do you think that also was ok?

The inquisition would be an error and I don't see how it compares to the crusades?

As for innocent people dying in the crusades, it happened during WWI and WWII and yet everyone agrees with those wars, so why do the crusades get such bad rep? Now I know the 4th crusade attacked the orthodox, but they were sent to Constantinople by the Pope to protect the byzantines from the Muslims, but since the Byzantines treated the crusaders badly they attacked out of revenge and in that case I would fault the soldiers not the Church, since the Church had sent them to help unfortunately the soldiers did not keep that order and attacked they’re allies and all because they were not shown hospitality and respect.

 

[toirewadokodesuka]

Roman Catholicism is like any other Religion / Government. Roman Catholics, however, are people like you and me. People that deserve just as much respect as your fellow believers.

 

[Gary51]

Roman Catholicism is like any other Religion / Government. Roman Catholics, however, are people like you and me. People that deserve just as much respect as your fellow believers.

Yeah... I respect you.... But I don't respect your RC Church.

You know what they say, "Love the sinner, but hate the sin!"

 

[miguel_de_luis]

Yeah... I respect you.... But I don't respect your RC Church.

You know what they say, "Love the sinner, but hate the sin!"

You probably only know a caricature of the RC Church.

 

[Gary51]

You probably only know a caricature of the RC Church.

You wish...

 

[christianmomof3]

Roman Catholicism is like any other Religion / Government. Roman Catholics, however, are people like you and me. People that deserve just as much respect as your fellow believers.

i agree that it is not the people that most of us have a problem with - it is the system.
I do not think that the Lord ever intended to create a religion/government which is what the RCC is.
To be a Christian should be only about Christ, not about being a governmental entity.

 

[Thekla]

[SIZE=-1]"I found [Rios Montt] to be a man of humility impeccable personal integrity, and a deep faith in Jesus Christ." [/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]One reason that Rios Montt may have appealed to Robertson was the dictator's dislike of Catholic priests. In the 1980s, they had become an obstacle to the expansion of evangelical Protestantism. Working within indigenous communities, Catholic priests had been driven out or murdered. Protestant sects, on the other hand, allied to the Guatemalan military. They preached individual conversion, the importance of obedience to military and political authority, the merits of capitalism, and the value of inequality. Rios Montt's own Church of the Word went so far as to define priests and nuns as the enemy. According to Walter LaFeber, a historian of Central America, three priests were killed within a thirty-six month period in just one province. With the Catholic Church out of the way, Rios Montt conducted a scorched earth policy. His forces massacred as many as 15,000 Indians. Whole villages were leveled and the army set up "Civilian Self-Defense Patrols" which forced 900,000 villagers to "voluntarily" aid police in tracking down suspects. Rios Montt created "model" villages, similar to concentration camps, which housed Indian refugees. However, when 40,000 survivors sought safety in Mexico, Guatemalan helicopters machine gunned the camps. Rios Montt justified the genocidal policy by claiming that the Indians were suspected of cooperating with the URNG, the Guatemalan National Revolutionary Union, or "might" cooperate in future. Amnesty International noted that extra judicial killings carried out the by the military "were done in terrible ways: people of all ages were not only shot to death, they were burned alive, hacked to death, disemboweled, drowned, beheaded. Small children were smashed against rocks or bayoneted to death." [/SIZE]

http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff09172005.html


Its not just "over there and back then".
How about looking in our own back yard.

Hatred is hatred - and hatred for any Church (RC or otherwise) may have consequences for the persons we say we love anyway.