Roman church errors and inventions

[Kristos]

Is outrage!

I just use the LXX. No Latin.

 

[mont974x4]

Did you not read what I posted? The Jews did not have a set canon until 100 CE, before that there were groups of Jews that used the protestant canon (39 books), those that used the RCC one (46 books) while others only used the first 5 books. The article I posted discusses all of that. Also, the Church did not add them they were chosen during the first few councils in the 300s when the Orthodox Church was still one with the Roman Church.

I'm sure you'll understand if I take the word of a Christ following rabbi over a rcc apologist.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There were groups that used different amounts of books because there was no set canon though. Also, the Council where Rabbis determined the 39 books is the same council that rejected the New Testament. So, protestants are following a council that rejected the New Testament. It's believed the deutro books were rejected by Jews because it contained strong prophecies of Jesus.

The whole OT/OC all the way from Genesis to Malachi is a prophecy of Jesus.

Zechariah 8:23 Thus sayeth YHWH-of Hosts: in-Days, the-those, which they-shall-take-firm-hold a-hem/wing, Ten Mortals/582 'enowsh, from-all Tongues-of the-Nations.
And-They-take-fast/hold in-hem-of a-Man/0376 'iysh, a-Judean/Y@huwdiy, to-say 'We-are-going with-Thee that We-hear Elohiym with-Thee'. [Mark 6:56]

Mark 6:56 And the-where ever He into-journeyed into villages, the cities, the fields/hamlets, in the market-places, they place the ones being sick and they beside-called Him that if-even the hang-foot of the garment of Him they should be touching, and as manysoever as touch of Him/it, were saved [Zech 8:23]

 

[Canaan-84]

The rcc added books that were rejected by Jews and protestants because of contradictions and other issues. I think I posted a link about that earlier today.

It was a council of the 380s or 390s that accepted the 46 books which the APOSTLES USED as you read in the article I posted (it wasn't just the RCC since back then it was still one with the Orthodox). Also, like I said before some Jewish groups did accept them it wasn't until a council in around 100 CE that finally rejected them but they also rejected the New Testament, so you're following a council that rejected the NT.

 

[Canaan-84]

I'm sure you'll understand if I take the word of a Christ following rabbi over a rcc apologist.

If it was a Christ following Rabbi then why did they reject the NT?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If it was a Christ following Rabbi then why did they reject the NT?

If a Jew is a Christ follower, how can they then reject the NT/NC

Luke 23:28 Being-turned yet toward them, the Jesus said: "Daughters of-Jerusalem no be-lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye. [Isaiah 4:4]

Reve 18:9 and shall be lamenting and shall be wailing/koyontai <2875> (5695) over Her the kings of the land, the ones with her fornicating and indulging, whenever they may be observing the smoke of the fireing/purwsei <4451> of Her

 

[Canaan-84]

The whole OT/OC all the way from Genesis to Malachi is a prophecy of Jesus.

Zechariah 8:23 Thus sayeth YHWH-of Hosts: in-Days, the-those, which they-shall-take-firm-hold a-hem/wing, Ten Mortals/582 'enowsh, from-all Tongues-of the-Nations.
And-They-take-fast/hold in-hem-of a-Man/0376 'iysh, a-Judean/Y@huwdiy, to-say 'We-are-going with-Thee that We-hear Elohiym with-Thee'. [Mark 6:56]

Mark 6:56 And the-where ever He into-journeyed into villages, the cities, the fields/hamlets, in the market-places, they place the ones being sick and they beside-called Him that if-even the hang-foot of the garment of Him they should be touching, and as manysoever as touch of Him/it, were saved [Zech 8:23]

Jews don't interpret it as we do though and they easily find a way to explain it away, but the prophecy in the book of wisdom seems to be harder to reject since it clearly describes the passion as we see it in the Gospel of Matthew.

 

[Canaan-84]

The whole OT/OC all the way from Genesis to Malachi is a prophecy of Jesus.

Zechariah 8:23 Thus sayeth YHWH-of Hosts: in-Days, the-those, which they-shall-take-firm-hold a-hem/wing, Ten Mortals/582 'enowsh, from-all Tongues-of the-Nations.
And-They-take-fast/hold in-hem-of a-Man/0376 'iysh, a-Judean/Y@huwdiy, to-say 'We-are-going with-Thee that We-hear Elohiym with-Thee'. [Mark 6:56]

Mark 6:56 And the-where ever He into-journeyed into villages, the cities, the fields/hamlets, in the market-places, they place the ones being sick and they beside-called Him that if-even the hang-foot of the garment of Him they should be touching, and as manysoever as touch of Him/it, were saved [Zech 8:23]

Jews don't interpret it as we do though and they easily find a way to explain it away, but the prophecy in the book of wisdom seems to be harder to reject since it clearly describes the passion as we see it in the Gospel of Matthew.

 

[Canaan-84]

If a Jew is a Christ follower, how can they then reject the NT/NC

Luke 23:28 Being-turned yet toward them, the Jesus said: "Daughters of-Jerusalem no be-lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye. [Isaiah 4:4]

Reve 18:9 and shall be lamenting and shall be wailing/koyontai <2875> (5695) over Her the kings of the land, the ones with her fornicating and indulging, whenever they may be observing the smoke of the fireing/purwsei <4451> of Her

I believe I misunderstood, I thought he was talking about the Rabbis in the Council of 100 CE.

 

[Canaan-84]

If a Jew is a Christ follower, how can they then reject the NT/NC

Luke 23:28 Being-turned yet toward them, the Jesus said: "Daughters of-Jerusalem no be-lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye. [Isaiah 4:4]

Reve 18:9 and shall be lamenting and shall be wailing/koyontai <2875> (5695) over Her the kings of the land, the ones with her fornicating and indulging, whenever they may be observing the smoke of the fireing/purwsei <4451> of Her

I believe I misunderstood, I thought he was talking about the Rabbis in the Council of 100 CE.

 

[Canaan-84]

If a Jew is a Christ follower, how can they then reject the NT/NC

Luke 23:28 Being-turned yet toward them, the Jesus said: "Daughters of-Jerusalem no be-lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye. [Isaiah 4:4]

Reve 18:9 and shall be lamenting and shall be wailing/koyontai <2875> (5695) over Her the kings of the land, the ones with her fornicating and indulging, whenever they may be observing the smoke of the fireing/purwsei <4451> of Her

I thought he was talking about the rabbis who rejected the NT in the council that occured around 100 CE.

 

[Canaan-84]

If a Jew is a Christ follower, how can they then reject the NT/NC

Luke 23:28 Being-turned yet toward them, the Jesus said: "Daughters of-Jerusalem no be-lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye. [Isaiah 4:4]

Reve 18:9 and shall be lamenting and shall be wailing/koyontai <2875> (5695) over Her the kings of the land, the ones with her fornicating and indulging, whenever they may be observing the smoke of the fireing/purwsei <4451> of Her

I thought he was talking about the rabbis who rejected the NT in the council that occured around 100 CE.

 

[mont974x4]

If it was a Christ following Rabbi then why did they reject the NT?[/quote

Nice deflection. The discussion is about the false claim of rome that the Jews accepted the books that your denomination now use as Scripture.

 

[Canaan-84]

I'm sure you'll understand if I take the word of a Christ following rabbi over a rcc apologist.

If you don't trust a RCC apologist then look at the Bible:

The article I posted says the following about the Bible:

The Apostles commissioned by Jesus,[5] however, used the Septuagint (the Old Testament in Greek which contained the Alexandrian canon) most of the time and must have accepted the Alexandrian canon. For example, 86 percent of Old Testament quotes in the Greek New Testament come directly from the Septuagint, not to mention numerous linguistic references. Acts 7 provides an interesting piece of evidence that justifies the Apostolic use of the Septuagint. In Acts 7:14 St. Stephen says that Jacob came to Joseph with 75 people. The Masoretic Hebrew version of Genesis 46:27 says “70,” while the Septuagint’s says “75,” the number Stephen used. Following the Apostles' example, Stephen clearly used the Septuagint.[6] (We also know from other ancient Christian documents, like the Didache[7] and Pope St. Clement’s Letter to the Corinthians, that the apostles’ successors not only used the Septuagint, but quote from all of the books in the Alexandrian canon as the authoritative word of God.)

 

[Canaan-84]

If it was a Christ following Rabbi then why did they reject the NT?[/quote

Nice deflection. The discussion is about the false claim of rome that the Jews accepted the books that your denomination now use as Scripture.

The Church however does not claim that all Jews used them. Like I said before and like the article mentions, before Jews had a canon some groups only used the first 5 books of the OT, others used 39 books (which protestants and Jews use today), others used 46 books (which catholics use today) and others used even more which could be the reason why the Ethiopian Jews have more books.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jews don't interpret it as we do though and they easily find a way to explain it away, but the prophecy in the book of wisdom seems to be harder to reject since it clearly describes the passion as we see it in the Gospel of Matthew.

If they would read the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation, perhaps more Light would shine in them concerning the Bible.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 21:23 "Woe yet to the-ones in belly having, and to those giving suck in those/ekeinaiV <1565>, the Days/hmeraiV <2250>. For shall be great distress on the Land, and Wrath in/upon the People, this;

Reve 9:6 and in the Days/hmeraiV <2250>, those/ekeinaiV <1565>, shall be seeking the men, the Death, and not no they shall be finding it/him. And they shall be yearning to be dying, and is fleeing the death from them

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Scholasticism
Filioque
Papal Supremacy
Immaculate Conception

Hmmmmm, let me think on that one..................................................................................................

Yeah, I would have to myself. What the heck is "Scholasticism"

 

[JacktheCatholic]

If they would read the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation, perhaps more Light would shine in them concerning the Bible.

I am so grateful that the Catholic Church was started by Jesus and that it is led by the Paraclete because the Catholic Church has consistantly recalled what the Apostles taught and has brought greater light to those teachings in things like the Assumption and Immaculate Conception.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

As you probably know... I don't do the debate thingie... my bad, but it does help me to be fair and unbiased in this ministry.

That being said... do you know that you quoted a post from like... way back in February?

Lost me, Debbie....


A poster commented, "Well, Isn't this a fun thread?" (sarcastically indicating that the mood was less than constructive). I indicated my agreement...

I don't know what post you are referring to; the post you quoted from me was not in response to "like" (whoever that is). What post from "like" 8 months ago?







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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus If they would read the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation, perhaps more Light would shine in them concerning the Bible.

I am so grateful that the Catholic Church was started by Jesus and that it is led by the Paraclete because the Catholic Church has consistantly recalled what the Apostles taught and has brought greater light to those teachings in things like the Assumption and Immaculate Conception.

If you and your denomination are happy in that, I am happy for you.