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That is such a ridiculous and absurb statement to make.Neither does the Church believe that is absolutely necessary.
The Church doesn't and never has proclaimed that. The Church actually can't.
Actually, that was proclaimed by a pope five hundred years ago and most people don't know what it means.
It means there is no salvation apart from the Church. It means Buddha, Muhammad and your own good works can't save you.
People will often try and twist it to mean "Unless you a member of the Catholic Church, you are going to hell". But those are completely different words, aren't they? And that's not what is said.
Actually, not even that is technically true.
Actually, confession involves Jesus, not the priest.
Actually, that is a discipline decided by the Church.
The apostles determined that one must make some penance before receiving communion. It was up to each Church to determine how this is done- in the Roman Church, it is done by fasting one hour prior to receiving.
It is not automatically a mortal sin just because you messed up.
The Catholics that leave generally do so because they don't like the rules and aren't seriously interested in the answers. I mean, anyone could have told you that the one hour fast was determined at Vatican II. All these 'rules' are pretty simple and straightforward.
The real reason most Catholics leave is because they don't want to go to confession, Church every Sunday or there is some sin they want to commit.
I never saw a response from the Spirit Antis on this post.
So what is the Roman See and Catholics opinion on it? Maybe I start a thread here on GT and hope it doesn't get moved to the Eschatology boardI didn't really see the value in pointing out that was just you opinion.
That Scripture had nothing to do with it? Let's see, we have a denomination teaching what amounts to a dietary law, meatless Friday and wanting people to eat fish (which I always thought was meat anyways) and I posted a passage that clearly speaks against such things.
Tobit was not part of the Jewish canon...at leats that's what the Christ following former rabbi told me. Gee, should I believe him or you? And if it isn't in Tobit, it's in one of your extrabiblical books that shows the basis for what amounts to buying your way out of hell.
An example of the propaganda you parrot is the ideal that only the rcc teaches the full truth, and of course the apostolic succession. Which is of course, entirely unbiblical and historically inacurate since the rcc didn't exist during the days of the apostles...regardless of what your denomination teaches you.
At least you finally admitted error within the rcc when you admitted a few abused their power...which undermines the whole one true church, fullness of truth, and without error myth.
I know quite a few former rc's, in fact I was raised by one who found the truth and left Praise GOD. I also know a few priests, I even provided protection for one quite abit. He was chaplain in the Army. I also read what a lot of you write here, and researched the vaticans own website because I wanted to see things in context and make sure I read it straight from the horses mouth.
That is such a ridiculous and absurb statement to make.
The Orthodox broke off first, then the Protestants. The RCC is now just considered a denomination and the sooner you and the Catholics realize that, the sooner Christianity can strengthen.
Oooh. I forgot about this thread
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6831283&page=56
How different would Christianity be without the Pope
You know, I know a lof of ex-rc's. They are godly Christ centered men and women who left because they saw how often the teachings of rome conflicted with actual Scripture. They craved the truth and freedom they found.
Well, I'm a former protestant and I know a lot of former protestants. We left because we saw how scripture and what the early Church believed had the truth and that truth led us to the Church.
Most protestants read scripture, having been taught how to interpret it in a particular way. They have no idea how they are influenced by other teachings. They have no idea where these teachings and interpretations came from.
Reading and studying the Scriptures is what keeps me from calling myself a CatholicThe Catholic Church is considered a denomination by protestants who want to justify their reformationists beliefs.
I'm glad you broght up penance. Yet another unbiblical teaching.
Read the thread I linked. Clearly Tobit described buying your way out of hell.
You'll forgive me if I beleive the learned rabbi over you concerning the history of your denominations added books.
I always wonder what is so bad about the word denomination that rc's ar so adamant about denying that they do, in fact, fit the definition.
Apostolic succession is only a valid truth if you're willing to extent the ideal to very Christian. Otherwise your still peddling your denominations propaganda about being the one true and only church...despite it coming on the scenes after the age of the apostles.
Keep spinnin that yarn SA, one day you may have a nice sweater.
Well, I'm sorry you had such a poor church.
You have no idea how the teachings of your denomination are merely dressed up pagan ideals, or you do know and don't care.
But hey, at least we protestants actually read Scripture.
Do the Catholics believe the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are the same event? Yes or no. ThanksJesus followed the Levitical and Aaronic priesthood. He went to temple. His people considered the book of Tobit to be canon.
This isn't "what my Church teaches"- this is what every university would teach you. You do understand why the word priest comes up hundreds of times in the Old Testament and yet all jews follow Rabbis, not priests, today, right? They are based on the pharisaic sect. That is why they do not have a temple in Jerusalem for sacrificing animals.
Do the Catholics believe the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are the same event? Yes or no. Thanks[/]
I don't believe the Church has an official position on that.
Why not?
I'm not really sure what you are asking. The 'olivet Discouse" was an event recorded that discussed events to happen. Whereas Revelation is not an event, but a text that includes possible future events.
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