Rom 4:22-25 As with Abraham, so with the Christian

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As with Abraham, so with the Christian

Rom 4:22-25 This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." (Gen 15:6) The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness— for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

What is "why"? His faith was "why" it was credited to him, faith which was demonstrated by his being fully persuaded, confident that what God had promised he was able also to perform. But again realized that his being reckoned righteous (Gen 15:6) occurred long before the demonstration of his faith. Faith apart from works saves. ("God credits righteousness apart from works" Rom 4:6b) Though faith will be demonstrated afterwards by one's life.

As for the application of the promise to all believers, and not to Abraham alone, Paul would seem at first to contradict himself where he writes in Galatians 3:16 "The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ." But he goes on to explain, "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." Gal 3:29 And thus the promise given to Abraham applies to everyone who is in Christ.

Note Paul's reference to the resurrection of Christ from the dead, which is always mentioned whenever the gospel is preached in the Bible. The resurrection is the forensic evidence given to validate the gospel message. "What I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures" 1Cor 15:3,4

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Rom. 4 is a very good study.

Sadly many times it is used incorrectly.

(Rom. 4) is a lesson on how to live by faith.

It is not a lesson on how to be saved initially.



(Rom. 6:3-18) is a text which teaches the sinner how to be saved.

16. Decide who to serve.
17. Obey a certain doctrine. (Rom.6:3-6)(Acts2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 22:16)
18. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


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Rom. 4 is a very good study.

Sadly many times it is used incorrectly.

(Rom. 4) is a lesson on how to live by faith.

It is not a lesson on how to be saved initially.
(Rom. 6:3-18) is a text which teaches the sinner how to be saved.
16. Decide who to serve.
17. Obey a certain doctrine. (Rom.6:3-6)(Acts2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 22:16)
18. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


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So when Paul says,

"Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him." Rom 4:4-8

you're saying that's not how to be saved? But rather you advocate salvation by works, contrary to what Paul states. You seem to have justification and sanctification backwards. So we should put faith in our works to save us?
 
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How does God justify the wicked?
All this is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
that God was reconciling the world to Himself IN CHRIST,
not counting men's sins against them.
And He ( God the Father ) has committed to us the message of reconciliation.-2 Corinthians 5:18-19
 
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All this is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
that God was reconciling the world to Himself IN CHRIST,
not counting men's sins against them.
And He ( God the Father ) has committed to us the message of reconciliation.-2 Corinthians 5:18-19
Reconciliation to God is very important as we see in (2Cor.5:18). But notice how men are reconciled to the Lord in (vs. 17). Only IN CHRIST is one reconciled to the Lord.

The question is, How do we get INTO CHRIST?
 
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Reconciliation to God is very important as we see in (2Cor.5:18). But notice how men are reconciled to the Lord in (vs. 17). Only IN CHRIST is one reconciled to the Lord.

The question is, How do we get INTO CHRIST?
The answer is :

By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, -Romans 8:3
in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. -Romans 8:4
For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. -Romans 8:5
For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. -Romans 8:6
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. -Romans 8:7
Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. -Romans 8:8
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. -Romans 8:9
But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. -Romans 8:10
If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. -Romans 8:11

Have you get it ?
 
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The answer is :

By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, -Romans 8:3
in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. -Romans 8:4
For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. -Romans 8:5
For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. -Romans 8:6
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. -Romans 8:7
Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. -Romans 8:8
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. -Romans 8:9
But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. -Romans 8:10
If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. -Romans 8:11

Have you get it ?

You posted scriptures in (Rom. 8).

This was wrote to Christians in Rome.

They are already IN CHRIST.(Rom. 8:1)


Not one of the verses you posted tells us how one gets INTO CHRIST.


Are there scriptures which tells men how to get INTO CHRIST?
 
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You posted scriptures in (Rom. 8).

This was wrote to Christians in Rome.

They are already IN CHRIST.(Rom. 8:1)


Not one of the verses you posted tells us how one gets INTO CHRIST.


Are there scriptures which tells men how to get INTO CHRIST?

Brother,
As apostle Paul have spoken:
And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. -1 Corinthians 2:13

Him we proclaim, warning EVERYONE and teaching EVERYONE with all wisdom, that we may present EVERYONE mature IN CHRIST. -Colossians 1:28

Therefore, brother, indeed I quote from Roman 8 but it is written not only for Christian in Rome but EVERYONE.

God the Father sent His Son in human form to die for our sins in order thatvthe righteous requirement of the law of Spirit of life might be fulfilled in us when we walk according to the Spirit. For us to live according to the Spirit, we must set our minds on the things of the Spirit. When we set our minds on the things of the Spirit, the Spirit of God dwells in us. When the Spirit of God dwell in us, we belong to Christ. When you belong to Christ, you are in Christ.

The key to be in Christ is found in Roman 8:5.

It is of importance that our minds set on the things of the Spirit to be in Christ.

I hope you understand.
Sure, you can ask questions, if you have any.

May the sharing of your faith may become effective for the full knowledge of every good thing that is in us for the sake of Christ.
GBU.
 
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Brother,
As apostle Paul have spoken:
And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. -1 Corinthians 2:13

Him we proclaim, warning EVERYONE and teaching EVERYONE with all wisdom, that we may present EVERYONE mature IN CHRIST. -Colossians 1:28

Therefore, brother, indeed I quote from Roman 8 but it is written not only for Christian in Rome but EVERYONE.

God the Father sent His Son in human form to die for our sins in order thatvthe righteous requirement of the law of Spirit of life might be fulfilled in us when we walk according to the Spirit. For us to live according to the Spirit, we must set our minds on the things of the Spirit. When we set our minds on the things of the Spirit, the Spirit of God dwells in us. When the Spirit of God dwell in us, we belong to Christ. When you belong to Christ, you are in Christ.

The key to be in Christ is found in Roman 8:5.

It is of importance that our minds set on the things of the Spirit to be in Christ.

I hope you understand.
Sure, you can ask questions, if you have any.

May the sharing of your faith may become effective for the full knowledge of every good thing that is in us for the sake of Christ.
GBU.

I do not see where (Rom. 8:5) tells men how to get into Christ.

What am I missing?
 
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Do you not see the Spirit of Christ in Roman 8:8?

It is stated in Roman 8:4 and Roman 8:5,
Those who those who live according to the Spirit of Christ set their minds on the things of the Spirit of Christ
To set the mind on the Spirit of Christ is life and peace.

That is how to get into Christ through His Spirit!
 
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Do you not see the Spirit of Christ in Roman 8:8?

It is stated in Roman 8:4 and Roman 8:5,
Those who those who live according to the Spirit of Christ set their minds on the things of the Spirit of Christ
To set the mind on the Spirit of Christ is life and peace.

That is how to get into Christ through His Spirit!
(Rom.8:1) is speaking of the Romans who were already IN CHRIST.

(Rom. 6:3-18) and (Gal 3:27) tells men how to get INTO CHRIST.

Baptized into Christ (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:30-34 ; 22:16)

Salvation is only found IN CHRIST (Eph. 1:3)
 
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