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Rom 14:4-6 Sabbath Optional

Discussion in 'Exposition & Bible Study' started by bcbsr, Jan 13, 2021 at 4:23 AM.

  1. bcbsr

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    Rom 14:4-6 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

    Just as with regards to food, it's a matter of personal preference regarding one day as more holy than another. If one regards all days alike, that's fine as well. The obvious implication is that the Sabbath law does not apply to Christians. In fact few Christians view the Sabbath as holy, being the seventh day of the week, namely Friday evening till Saturday evening according to the Law and the gospels, even though many Christian in fact rest on the Sabbath, ceasing from their labors. In its place most Christians view the first day of the week, which is the Lord's day, as holy in commemoration of the Lord's resurrection from the dead on the morning of the first day of the week, and so have agreed to assemble together on that day. Let not the one who reckons Saturday holy judge him who reckons Sunday holy. And let neither judge him who regards all days equally.

    And "do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." Col 2:16,17 Much as those who reckon themselves institutionally elite, as did the chief priests, Pharisees and elders who had Christ crucified, tend to obsess over matters of ceremony, for such is the only way they can parade their personal significance, yet debates over such issues are not much more than a matter of shadow boxing. In fact it was over ceremonial legalism which upset Paul so much in his letter to the Galatians, even to the extent of having to rebuke the apostle Peter, who himself the Lord had tried to instruct on the insignificance of ceremony in Acts chapter 10.

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  2. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    That was about fasting.
     
  3. BobRyan

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    Romans 14 does not mention the weekly Sabbath at all.

    Rom 14 speaks of the Bible-approved annual holy days in Lev 23 saying "one man observes one day above another while another man observes them all" -- it is not about "not observing the weekly Sabbath" it is about those who chose to observe all the annual feast days, vs those who selected one above another to observe.

    What is more in Gal 4 we see the case of Christians starting to observe pagan holy days and Paul says they are condemned if they observe even one of them "I fear I have labored over you in vain" is his comment after stating "

    Notice his statements to the former-pagans turned-Christian

    8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles, to which you want to be enslaved all over again? 10 You meticulously observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain

    Here we have the case of those observing the feast of unleavened bread and those not observing it.

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    5 Now these had gone on ahead and were waiting for us at Troas. 6 We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and reached them at Troas within five days; and we stayed there for seven days.
     
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  4. Original Happy Camper

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    Exodus 20:8
    Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    Rom 14:4-6 is talking in context about the feast sabbaths not the

    SEVENTH DAY SABBATH ESTABLISHED AT CREATION FOR ALL MANKIND

    Exodus 16:26
    Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, in it there shall be none.

    in context this is before there were any Jews and before MT Sinai


    TAKE THESE VERSES OUT OF WHAT EVER BIBLE YOU USE AS YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THEM

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    Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

    Malachi 3:6 King James Version (KJV)
    6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
     
  5. pescador

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    You know what my Bible says about your post? "One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind." Romans 14:5

    Should I agree with you or the great Apostle Paul?
     
  6. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    That is about fasting...

    He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
     
  7. Soyeong

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    The things that are a matter of personal preference are not in the same category as things that are a matter of obedience to God, so nothing that is said against judging each other over matters of personal preference should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded. Paul was not suggesting that we are free to disobey God's commands against murder, theft, adultery, idolatry, breaking the Sabbath, or any of God's other commands as long as we are convinced in our own minds that it is ok, but rather that was only said in regard to things that are matters of personal preference.

    In Romans 14:4-6, it is speaking about those who eat or refrain from eating unto the Lord, so it is speaking about those who esteem certain days for fasting as a matter of preference. For example, God has given no command to fast twice a week, but that had become a common practice in the 1st century, and those who were choosing to do that as a matter of preference were passing judgement on those who did not (Luke 18:12), so it was precisely this sort of judging each other over opinions that Paul was seeking to quell in this chapter. On the other hand, God has commanded His people to keep the 7th day holy, so whether we do that is not a matter of personal preference, but a matter of obedience to God.

    Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), and God's law commands to keep the 7th day holy, so those who refuse to do that are guilty of sin. In Mark 7:6-9, Jesus criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions, so there is nothing wrong with someone wanting to follow their own tradition of worshiping on the 1st day in honor of the resurrection in addition to obeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy, but they should not hypocritically set aside God's command in order to establish their tradition. Jesus rose on the Feast of Firstfruits as the firstfruits from the death, so there was already a day that is in accordance with God's commands that is rich with relevant symbolism that we can use to honor the resurrection, so there is absolutely no need to hypocritically set aside any of God's commands in order to do that. Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness, so going back to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from would be the opposite of honoring the resurrection.


    In Colossians 2:16-23, Paul described the people who were judging them as teaching human traditions and precepts, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, so they were being judged by pagans. This means that the Colossians were keeping God's holy days in obedience to His commands in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow and Paul was encouraging them not to let any man judge them and keep them from obeying God.

    Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so there was no one more obsessed over matters of ceremony than he was, and what is important to him should be important to us. In John 14:23-24, if we love Jesus, then we will obey his teachings, if we don't love him, then we will not obey his teachings, so you are acting like our love for Jesus is insignificant. Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching Gentiles how to follow the law that Christ taught by word and by example as if following Christ was somehow a negative thing, but rather his problem was with those who were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified.

    There is nothing in Acts 10 that speaks about obedience to God as being insignificant. Rather, in Acts 10:28, Peter understood God as instructing him in regard to a law that forbade Jews to visit or associate with Gentiles. However, this law is not found anywhere in God's law and is therefore a man-made law. It was this law that Peter was obeying in Galatians 2:11-16 when he stopped visiting or associating with Gentiles, and by doing so, he was giving credibility to those who were wanting Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified, which is by Paul rebuked him and reiterated that we are justified by faith, not by works of the law.
     
  8. Soyeong

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    Do you understand the difference between doing something that is a matter of personal preference and doing something that is a command of God? The Sabbath is not even mentioned once in Romans 14 because it is a command of God while what Paul said in that chapter was only in regard to things that are matters of personal preference.
     
  9. pescador

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    Okay, here is an expansion of that section of Scripture...

    Romans 14:5-9, "One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

    One half of one verse is an example of how people regard eating. The rest is clearly about living a life pleasing to the Lord.

    Perhaps if you used a translation that a) doesn't chop up Paul's letter into separate verses that weren't part of the original letter and b) is written in normal English you might begin to understand what it says.
     
  10. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Nothing you said refutes my post...
     
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