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A police officer and a terrorist were killed in the attack on the Capitol. The rioters charged with felonies should be charged for the deaths of these people. If a getaway driver can be charged with the deaths of security officers during a bank robbery, these thugs should be treated the exact same way.
What I find comical is some of the same people who just a few months ago were crying “defund the Police”, and “They can’t use rubber bullets on them” when the left wing crazies were rioting, are now saying “where were the police, and how were they able to do this” when the right wing crazies did for just 3 hours of 1 day in only 1 city, what the left wing crazies did all night long for months on end in cities all over the country. Hypocrisy is a mutha ain’t it???
 
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Do you think that everyone who took part in BLM riots should be charged with all of the deaths that were caused?
The masses have always been held accountable for the action of the fringe groups. Look how a million civilians died in Iraq and Afghanistan because a few fringe terrorists gave them an excuse to manipulate the data and attack.
 
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Hypocrisy is a mutha ain’t it???
But one group doesn;t want to be associated with another group or the concept of the sport being played loses it's relevance. Both teams would end up kicking/shooting into any goal handy including their own. Where is the fun in that? They love war while waving team designated banners of peace. Laughable.
 
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But one group doesn;t want to be associated with another group or the concept of the sport being played loses it's relevance. Both teams would end up kicking/shooting into any goal handy including their own. Where is the fun in that? They love war while waving team designated banners of peace. Laughable.
Meanwhile this little game they're playing is tearing this country apart and igniting racism. Shame!
 
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Meanwhile this little game they're playing is tearing this country apart and igniting racism. Shame!
That's been going on for 60 year and only to gain the vote. And they can always count on their minions to take sides because minions are too stupid to realize they are being played while 'power' carries on as it always has throughout history
 
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The masses have always been held accountable for the action of the fringe groups. Look how a million civilians died in Iraq and Afghanistan because a few fringe terrorists gave them an excuse to manipulate the data and attack.

Pointing out what has been done is not the same as establishing what ought to be done. Do you agree that we should not judge individuals for the actions of others in their group?
 
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What I find comical is some of the same people who just a few months ago were crying “defund the Police”, and “They can’t use rubber bullets on them” when the left wing crazies were rioting, are now saying “where were the police, and how were they able to do this” when the right wing crazies did for just 3 hours of 1 day in only 1 city, what the left wing crazies did all night long for months on end in cities all over the country. Hypocrisy is a mutha ain’t it???
We just want the police to... I don’t know... do their job? That means not shooting peaceful protesters with rubber bullets and not allowing terrorists to breach restricted areas. In what way is it hypocritical to criticize them for failing at both of these jobs?

Folks, here’s something to look out for. Whenever conservatives can’t defend their own, they’ll immediately gesture at some imagined hypocrisy of those criticizing them. It’s the only play in their book.
 
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A police officer and a terrorist were killed in the attack on the Capitol. The rioters charged with felonies should be charged for the deaths of these people. If a getaway driver can be charged with the deaths of security officers during a bank robbery, these thugs should be treated the exact same way.

When I saw the thread title, I thought it was about the actual BLM rioters who have killed police officers on the street.
But I guess rioters who kill police officers come in different flavors--ones who are defended by the Left, and those who aren't.
 
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We just want the police to... I don’t know... do their job? That means not shooting peaceful protesters with rubber bullets and not allowing terrorists to breach restricted areas. In what way is it hypocritical to criticize them for failing at both of these jobs?

Folks, here’s something to look out for. Whenever conservatives can’t defend their own, they’ll immediately gesture at some imagined hypocrisy of those criticizing them. It’s the only play in their book.

The hypocrisy you guys are showing is quite real. We've been putting up with how you've been trying to justify rioters for the past 10 months now.

If you want to talk about riots and how they’re the way people who feel “unheard” make themselves heard, let’s address that.

When a rioter (a.k.a terrorist) throws a fire bomb into the window of a hair salon owned by a single mother who is just trying to make a living, what message is the owner of that burned down business supposed to hear?

When a rioter picks up a brick and walks up to a random old man on the sidewalk and smashes his skull in and leaves him for dead, what message is that old man supposed to hear?
When a rioter walks into a business after the windows and doors are smashed in and helps himself to the merchandise inside without paying for any of it, what message is that supposed to send to the store owner?

More broadly, what message does all of this send to the community in which the rioters (a.k.a. terrorists) do their “speaking”? I’ll give you a hint: BLM’s approval hasn’t exactly flourished since they started showing what kind of people they really are. But now it's the conservatives who are the bad guys for protesting when they feel unheard?
 
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We just want the police to... I don’t know... do their job? That means not shooting peaceful protesters with rubber bullets and not allowing terrorists to breach restricted areas. In what way is it hypocritical to criticize them for failing at both of these jobs?
I disagree. There were a lot of liberal crazies who did not want the Police to do their jobs. They wanted to be able to riot without fear of interference from the police or prosecution from the legal system. But when the right wing crazies did the same thing for a tiny fraction of the time as they, the left did not want the same treatment afforded to those on the right that was afforded to themselves.
 
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The hypocrisy you guys are showing is quite real. We've been putting up with how you've been trying to justify rioters for the past 10 months now.
See what I mean? Immediately he jumps to some imagined hypocrisy, as though the tactics seen in 10 continuous months of a nationwide — worldwide, even — protest event in response to a demonstrably real social issue is remotely comparable to those of a single terrorist attack based on a conspiracy theory taking place over the course of a single afternoon. Have they no shame?
If you want to talk about riots and how they’re the way people who feel “unheard” make themselves heard, let’s address that.

When a rioter (a.k.a terrorist) throws a fire bomb into the window of a hair salon owned by a single mother who is just trying to make a living, what message is the owner of that burned down business supposed to hear?

When a rioter picks up a brick and walks up to a random old man on the sidewalk and smashes his skull in and leaves him for dead, what message is that old man supposed to hear?
When a rioter walks into a business after the windows and doors are smashed in and helps himself to the merchandise inside without paying for any of it, what message is that supposed to send to the store owner?

More broadly, what message does all of this send to the community in which the rioters (a.k.a. terrorists) do their “speaking”? I’ll give you a hint: BLM’s approval hasn’t exactly flourished since they started showing what kind of people they really are. But now it's the conservatives who are the bad guys for protesting when they feel unheard?
Conservatives are heard, and that’s the problem. They’re so heard they’re able to convince a bunch of their own to breach the capitol building in an attempted coup.
 
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I disagree. There were a lot of liberal crazies who did not want the Police to do their jobs. They wanted to be able to riot without fear of interference from the police or prosecution from the legal system. But when the right wing crazies did the same thing for a tiny fraction of the time as they, the left did not want the same treatment afforded to those on the right that was afforded to themselves.
Again, the riots occurring on the fringes of the BLM demonstrations were nothing like the attempted coup that occurred on Wednesday. We don’t like it when our peaceful demonstrations are met with riot police, and the kid gloves with which the right-wing coup attempt was met indicates that the police do indeed know how to respond without showering them with bullets, tear gas, and batons. So why couldn’t they show that restraint with us? We think we have a pretty good idea why.
 
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Do you agree that we should not judge individuals for the actions of others in their group?
I just said that. Hence my disdain as noted in my post for attacking individuals not responsible for the actions of others in their group.
 
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Again, the riots occurring on the fringes of the BLM demonstrations were nothing like the attempted coup that occurred on Wednesday.
No, it was far worse, resulting in far more deaths and damage.
We don’t like it when our peaceful demonstrations are met with riot police,
You call firebombing business, barricading the doors of a police station then trying to set it on fire, beating, even killing people in the streets who disagree with you, peaceful demonstrations?
and the kid gloves with which the right-wing coup attempt was met indicates that the police do indeed know how to respond without showering them with bullets, tear gas, and batons. So why couldn’t they show that restraint with us?
Had the police responded with bullets, tear gas, and batons, C.H.O.P. along with the rapes, murders, and destruction of it’s result would have never happened. Had the police reacted to the right wing rioters the way they responded to the left wing rioters that resulted in C.H.O.P., they would have been allowed to remain in the Capital building for weeks on end.
We think we have a pretty good idea why.
Yeah; police response was far different, I think we know why.
 
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No, it was far worse, resulting in far more deaths and damage.
Not when you correct for the amount of time each took place over. How many police officers did BLM protesters bludgeon to death, again?
You call firebombing business, barricading the doors of a police station then trying to set it on fire, beating, even killing people in the streets who disagree with you, peaceful demonstrations?
No. But these events generally took place after riot police established a presence.
Had the police responded with bullets, tear gas, and batons, C.H.O.P. along with the rapes, murders, and destruction of it’s result would have never happened. Had the police reacted to the right wing rioters the way they responded to the left wing rioters that resulted in C.H.O.P., they would have been allowed to remain in the Capital building for weeks on end.
Completely irrelevant. Unless you’re arguing that the emergence of CHOP negates the existence of abrasive police tactics elsewhere, there’s no reason to bring up this event.
Yeah; police response was far different, I think we know why.
Glad we’re on the same page, comrade.
 
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Then they should be given the same absolution as the disturbed on the street.
There shouldn’t be any disturbed people on the street in the first place. We need to divert many of our funds from sending police out to shoot these people into public programs that prevent them from ending up on the street in the first place. Or we can fund both, and hear the conservatives howl about overspending while there’s nothing for the police to do most days.
 
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There shouldn’t be any disturbed people on the street in the first place.
That's impossible. 1 in 4 US'ers have mental health problems. Most keep it under control to a degree that does not require police intervention
 
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