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Rioters should be charged with murder

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by SummerMadness, Jan 9, 2021.

  1. SummerMadness

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    A police officer and a terrorist were killed in the attack on the Capitol. The rioters charged with felonies should be charged for the deaths of these people. If a getaway driver can be charged with the deaths of security officers during a bank robbery, these thugs should be treated the exact same way.
     
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  2. Subduction Zone

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    I understand how you feel, but it is not quite the same and would not fly in a court of law. Without a getaway driver it is unlikely that the bank robbery would have happened. But if just one of the thugs were missing the riots would still have occurred.
     
  3. SummerMadness

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    If the getaway driver is not there, it does not mean the robbery would not occur. It's similar to two people breaking into a home, one guy kills the homeowner, both of them get charged with murder, despite the other guy not carrying a gun or knowing his accomplice had a gun.
     
  4. timothyu

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    I am assuming those involved in the loss of life and property and armed insurrections with declarations of free zones last summer will also fall into the same prosecution. If so I heartily agree that the law should be followed. Will there be calls for the defunding of capital police?

    Perhaps the nation is too divided to remember that what applies to one side also applies to the other.
     
  5. SummerMadness

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    What in the off-topic discussion are you talking about?

    Another question, since when did terrorists have a side? All terrorists are bad.
     
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  6. timothyu

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    The same rationale of the OP applies to all situations.
     
  7. SummerMadness

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    No it doesn't. Those in commission of a felony resulting in a murder during that incident.
     
  8. Subduction Zone

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    Did I say wouldn't? I said it was likely not to occur. And no, your example fails again. If two people break into a house it can be argued that it was a group effort and it depended highly on the second person. Again, if that second person was not there it would be much less likely for the crime to occur. One single thug not showing up would not have made any difference. That is why this law only applies to small groups. Not to large ones.
     
  9. Desk trauma

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    It would be a bit hard to stick felony murder on the insurrectionists who were no where near the crime but it may be possible for those closest to it or associated with the purp.

    Sedition charges should get sufficient time for the rest of them.
     
  10. timothyu

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    And that of course only ever occurs on one side of the fence?
     
  11. SummerMadness

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    The size of the group is not what matters, it's whether the individuals knew their actions may result in death or bodily injury. Attacking police officers and attacking government officials certainly falls into that category. Will they be charged, probably not, but they should be charged.

    I found this article here discussing the topic: Explainer: What crimes can the U.S. Capitol rioters be charged with?
     
  12. Albion

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    Nothing could illustrate the respective credibility or lack of same of the two sides than comparing these two events.

    With the AntifaBLM riots, a police officer was deemed to be a murder because of an unintentional death that occurred during the restraining of a criminal and partially because of other medical problems. In the other event, the Washington DC incident saw a citizen, not a terrorist, randomly chosen and then deliberately shot to death by a police officer or guard who took his time drawing a bead on his intended victim.

    Not surprisingly, we then get people accusing the victim in the latter case of having deserved death while the people who were responsible for a billion dollars of damage in 30 cities and the deaths of over 20 people last summer are supposed to be seen as peaceful and, of course, justified.
     
  13. timothyu

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    Would that not depend on whether motive could be proven that their intent was to overthrow the government (which of course even those who got into the Capital could not do) rather than show up to protest a lack of transparency in the election?
     
  14. SummerMadness

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    It seems people can't stay on-topic. When the topic is white nationalism and the terrorist attack this week, there is a quick retreat to attacking Black Lives Matter or antifa (they're not even the same group).
     
  15. SummerMadness

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    Pipe bombs, guns, zip ties, the terrorists came prepared. Protesting does not involve storming a government building and taking the lives of police officers.
     
  16. timothyu

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    Sorry but that is what freedom of expression is all about. One side (any side) does nor get to stand up and say something and expect no rebuttal. Didn't work for Saddam.
     
  17. timothyu

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    Too bad that thinking was not applied last summer when the same occurred in government buildings across the nation. Both sides are guilty of the same crimes. In order to quell the divisiveness both sides need to get over the notion of one side matters more than the other.

    You do realize that those in the centre far outnumber those of the fringe right or left and sooner rather than later they are going to get p**t off and stomp the both of them.
     
  18. SummerMadness

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    A free and fair election was conducted and the guy that lost by almost 8 million votes lost. Who would have thought it possible?

    Enjoy the false equivalency.
     
  19. Albion

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    Neither this thread's title nor the OP indicate that the subject here is supposed to be what you just claimed.

    At any rate, we can drop that now; I simply replied to your post and, therefore, to its topic. .
     
  20. timothyu

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    Yet in being free and fair he was lambasted for following natural procedure allowed by constitution to pursue any avenue available to him until the voter at 4 am the other day at which time, having run the full gambit available to him, he accepted defeat. You call the reaction to following through a natural process free and fair?
    But for five years and even now afterwards he is still being harassed. There is more to this than losing an election considering the length of time it has been going on. \

    I have no vested interest either way but those taking sides need to stop and see why they are being used as a distraction to what is coming your way.
     
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