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Hebrews 9:16–17 (AV)
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Jesus is obviously Testator of the New Testament. So the dividing line between Old and New Testaments is not at the end of Malachi 4 and the beginning of Matthew 1.

Rather, it is interlaced in the Gospels at Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46, and John 19:30.

So what?

So everything in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are under Old Testament Law prior to those scriptures.

The Sermon on the Mount was not taught to compel Christians to live stricter lives than the Pharisees, for example. Cutting off or gouging out body parts to keep out of hell comes to mind. Forgiving everyone so our Heavenly Father will forgive us. These are works under the Law and not mercy under Grace.

Rightly dividing the word of truth in this way removes the confusion:
  • is it Grace alone (Ephesians 2:8-10)?
  • or is it works (Matthew 5:27-30 / Matthew 6:14-15 / Mark 11:26)?
  • is it New Testament to tithe (Matthew 23:23 / Luke 11:42 / Luke 18:12)?
  • or according to your abundance / cheerful heart giving (2 Corinthians 8:10 -15 / 2 Corinthians 9:7)?
Footnote: It would be wrong not to support a ministry financially that you benefit from frequently (Bible study, prayer service, praise and worship service, child care, etc.). But at the same time we should not substitute these things for our own ministries which we are called to as all believers are priests of God (Revelation 1:6 / Revelation 5:10 / 1 Peter 2:3-9). Not all in Christ are called to preach, and the local congregational meetings are to supplement our own ministries... NOT replace them. So we should consider our own ministries worthy of our support... as well as giving to the local Church.
 

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Hebrews 9:16–17 (AV)
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Jesus is obviously Testator of the New Testament. So the dividing line between Old and New Testaments is not at the end of Malachi 4 and the beginning of Matthew 1.

Rather, it is interlaced in the Gospels at Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46, and John 19:30.

So what?

So everything in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are under Old Testament Law prior to those scriptures.

The Sermon on the Mount was not taught to compel Christians to live stricter lives than the Pharisees, for example. Cutting off or gouging out body parts to keep out of hell comes to mind. Forgiving everyone so our Heavenly Father will forgive us. These are works under the Law and not mercy under Grace.

Rightly dividing the word of truth in this way removes the confusion:
  • is it Grace alone (Ephesians 2:8-10)?
  • or is it works (Matthew 5:27-30 / Matthew 6:14-15 / Mark 11:26)?
  • is it New Testament to tithe (Matthew 23:23 / Luke 11:42 / Luke 18:12)?
  • or according to your abundance / cheerful heart giving (2 Corinthians 8:10 -15 / 2 Corinthians 9:7)?
Footnote: It would be wrong not to support a ministry financially that you benefit from frequently (Bible study, prayer service, praise and worship service, child care, etc.). But at the same time we should not substitute these things for our own ministries which we are called to as all believers are priests of God (Revelation 1:6 / Revelation 5:10 / 1 Peter 2:3-9). Not all in Christ are called to preach, and the local congregational meetings are to supplement our own ministries... NOT replace them. So we should consider our own ministries worthy of our support... as well as giving to the local Church.


Hi and what I see , that the division is between Israel and the BODY OF CHRIST !

And that division begins at ACTS 9:6 where Saul was saved .

The verses are in 1 Tim 1:15 where it says , that Jesus came into the world to save sinners , of whom I AM PROTO / FIRST !

Also in verse 16 , THAT IN ME [ PROTO / FIRST show forth all long suffering for a PATTERN OF THE ONES COMING TO BELIEVE ON HIM UNTO EVERLASTING LIFE >

This is where the BODY OF CHRIST BEGAN .

dan p
 
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Hebrews 9:16–17 (AV)
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Jesus is obviously Testator of the New Testament. So the dividing line between Old and New Testaments is not at the end of Malachi 4 and the beginning of Matthew 1.

Rather, it is interlaced in the Gospels at Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46, and John 19:30.

So what?

So everything in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are under Old Testament Law prior to those scriptures.

The Sermon on the Mount was not taught to compel Christians to live stricter lives than the Pharisees, for example. Cutting off or gouging out body parts to keep out of hell comes to mind. Forgiving everyone so our Heavenly Father will forgive us. These are works under the Law and not mercy under Grace.

Rightly dividing the word of truth in this way removes the confusion:
  • is it Grace alone (Ephesians 2:8-10)?
  • or is it works (Matthew 5:27-30 / Matthew 6:14-15 / Mark 11:26)?
  • is it New Testament to tithe (Matthew 23:23 / Luke 11:42 / Luke 18:12)?
  • or according to your abundance / cheerful heart giving (2 Corinthians 8:10 -15 / 2 Corinthians 9:7)?
Footnote: It would be wrong not to support a ministry financially that you benefit from frequently (Bible study, prayer service, praise and worship service, child care, etc.). But at the same time we should not substitute these things for our own ministries which we are called to as all believers are priests of God (Revelation 1:6 / Revelation 5:10 / 1 Peter 2:3-9). Not all in Christ are called to preach, and the local congregational meetings are to supplement our own ministries... NOT replace them. So we should consider our own ministries worthy of our support... as well as giving to the local Church.

Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word or by example, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Hebrews 8:10). Being a Christian is about looking at what Christ taught by word and by example and deciding to become his follower, not about refusing to follow what Christ taught. In 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are told to follow Christ's example, in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and in 1 Corinthians 11:1, we are to be imitators of Paul as he was an imitator of Christ. Furthermore, John 12:46-50 does not give us any room to reject any of the words that Jesus taught during his ministry. In Matthew 24:14, Jesus prophecies that the Gospel that he had been teaching during his ministry would be proclaimed to all nations, and he commissioned his disciples to teach everything that he had commanded them.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that justice, mercy, and faith are weightier matters of the Mosaic Law. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, so that is what being under grace looks like. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. Likewise, in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to obey His laws for how to do that is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation. In Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth and rightly dividing the word of truth does not involve hacking it to pieces and removing the truth. About 1/3 of the verses in the NT contain quotes or allusions to the OT, which the NT authors did thousands of times in order to show that it supported what they were saying and to show that it supported what they were saying, so they certainly saw the OT as still being authoritative.
 
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Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word or by example, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Hebrews 8:10).

Matthew 5:17 (AV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Meaning: HE fulfilled it.

As far as WE are concerned:

Galatians 3:24–25 (AV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The ONLY way we fulfill the Law of Moses is by FAITH in Christ Jesus alone (Ephesians 2:8-10).
By doing so we are forgiven of all sin cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ (1 John 1:7) for walking in the light of faith in him (John 6:29 / John 16:27) with the imputation of Christ's righteousness (Romans 4:8-24, Romans 5:13, 2 Corinthians 5:19)

Romans 3:25-26 (AV)
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

2 Corinthians 9:9 (AV)
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. ← (OSAS, btw).

Matthew 6:33 (AV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

seek ye first the kingdom of God: HIS righteousness (John 3:16-18 / Ephesians 2:8-10)... and not our own (James 2:10).

Being a Christian is about looking at what Christ taught by word and by example and deciding to become his follower, not about refusing to follow what Christ taught.

Being a Christian is believing in the genuine Jesus Christ (John 6:29).

Living life from that point onward is to use the example of the Law and the commands of Christ (who put the teeth back into the Law) as a guide knowing we will never perfectly obey, keep, fulfill... even the Old Testament is filled with examples of God's grace for those who simply believed God (Abraham, Moses, David, etc. see Hebrews 11 the "hall of faith" ). God also deals with us through his Spirit (1 John 2:20) and will go to the extreme of taking us out of this life if need be to preserve our salvation (1 Corinthians 5:5). Pray it never comes to that.

But Christ removed the burden of keeping the Law to free us up to evangelize and to pray and to study his word and to spread his love etc.

Matthew 11:29–30 (AV)
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
 
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Matthew 5:17 (AV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Meaning: HE fulfilled it.

"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that only Jesus did. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so you should interpret that in the same way as you interpret fulfilling the Law of Moses.

As far as WE are concerned:

Galatians 3:24–25 (AV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The ONLY way we fulfill the Law of Moses is by FAITH in Christ Jesus alone (Ephesians 2:8-10).
By doing so we are forgiven of all sin cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ (1 John 1:7) for walking in the light of faith in him (John 6:29 / John 16:27) with the imputation of Christ's righteousness (Romans 4:8-24, Romans 5:13, 2 Corinthians 5:19)

Romans 3:25-26 (AV)
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

2 Corinthians 9:9 (AV)
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. ← (OSAS, btw).

Matthew 6:33 (AV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

seek ye first the kingdom of God: HIS righteousness (John 3:16-18 / Ephesians 2:8-10)... and not our own (James 2:10).

We do not earn our righteousness by obeying the Mosaic Law because it was never given for that purpose, but rather the same faith by which we are declared righteous is also expressed as obedience to the Mosaic Law. The reason why we have received the righteousness of Christ was not in order to hide it under a bushel, but in order to express it through our obedience to the Mosaic in accordance with the example that of how Christ expressed his righteousness that he set for us to follow.

Being a Christian is believing in the genuine Jesus Christ (John 6:29).

Living life from that point onward is to use the example of the Law and the commands of Christ (who put the teeth back into the Law) as a guide knowing we will never perfectly obey, keep, fulfill... even the Old Testament is filled with examples of God's grace for those who simply believed God (Abraham, Moses, David, etc. see Hebrews 11 the "hall of faith" ). God also deals with us through his Spirit (1 John 2:20) and will go to the extreme of taking us out of this life if need be to preserve our salvation (1 Corinthians 5:5). Pray it never comes to that.

But Christ removed the burden of keeping the Law to free us up to evangelize and to pray and to study his word and to spread his love etc.

Matthew 11:29–30 (AV)
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

In John 3:36, believing in Jesus is equated with obeying him, so following the Mosaic Law that he taught by word and by example is what it looks like to believe in him. The law itself came with instructions for what to do when the people sinned, so it never required us to have perfect obedience in order to earn something, though there are countless people who have obeyed, kept, and fulfilled the Mosaic Law. In Matthew 11:28-30, Jesus referred to the Mosaic Law as being a yoke that was easy and a burden that is light. He was inviting people to learn from him, not reject what he taught. By saying that we will find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as a the good way where we will find rest for our souls. The Mosaic Law God's word (Deuteronomy 5:31-33) and it is His instructions for how to love God and our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40), and it is what he commissioned his disciples to teach, so freeing us from yoke of the law would be the opposite of freeing us to evangelize and to pray and to study his word and spread his love.
 
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"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be”

You've quoted man. But that definition is to "teach" the Law.

Not fulfill it.

To fulfill is to complete. Accomplish. Finish.

The Bible says:

John 19:28–30 (AV)
28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 
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You've quoted man. But that definition is to "teach" the Law.

Not fulfill it.

To fulfill is to complete. Accomplish. Finish.

The Bible says:

John 19:28–30 (AV)
28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

This is the only definition that the NAS Greek lexicon lists of "pleroo" as specifically being in regard to the law:

"to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment"

If you stop at a stop light, then you have fulfilled that traffic law, or in other words you have shown a complete understanding of what it requires you and you have accomplished it or obeyed it as it should be. Likewise, when we love our neighbor in accordance with Galatians 5:14, we are showing a complete understanding of what the Mosaic Law requires us to do and are accomplishing it. Other Jewish writings also commonly speak about what it means for someone to fulfil the Mosaic Law in regard to showing a complete understanding of what it means to correctly obey it. Again, you should not interpret fulfill the Law of Christ in a different manner than you interpret fulfilling the Law of Moses. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said that he came fulfill the Law and the Prophets in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish them, so you should not interpret that as essentially meaning the same thing.
 
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You made my point. Jesus fulfilled the Law.

If you stop at a traffic light, you are showing how to correctly obey that traffic law, not ending it. In Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the Mosaic Law, so Jesus did not end any laws.
 
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Galatians 3:24–25 (LEB)
24 So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Did Jesus go around telling people that the Mosaic Law had ended now that he has come and they needed to stop repenting, or did he go around calling people to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand? What is recorded about what Jesus actually did should influence how to correctly interpret what Paul said about what he did. Someone who completely disregarded everything their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor.
 
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Did Jesus go around telling people that the Mosaic Law had ended now that he has come and they needed to stop repenting, or did he go around calling people to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand? What is recorded about what Jesus actually did should influence how to correctly interpret what Paul said about what he did. Someone who completely disregarded everything their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor.

Galatians 3:24-25
 
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Galatians 3:24-25

Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin Furthermore, in Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is what it looks like to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20). So Galatians 3:24-25 should not be interpreted in a way that undermines what Jesus accomplished both through his ministry and through the cross.
 
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"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that only Jesus did. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so you should interpret that in the same way as you interpret fulfilling the Law of Moses.



We do not earn our righteousness by obeying the Mosaic Law because it was never given for that purpose, but rather the same faith by which we are declared righteous is also expressed as obedience to the Mosaic Law. The reason why we have received the righteousness of Christ was not in order to hide it under a bushel, but in order to express it through our obedience to the Mosaic in accordance with the example that of how Christ expressed his righteousness that he set for us to follow.



In John 3:36, believing in Jesus is equated with obeying him, so following the Mosaic Law that he taught by word and by example is what it looks like to believe in him. The law itself came with instructions for what to do when the people sinned, so it never required us to have perfect obedience in order to earn something, though there are countless people who have obeyed, kept, and fulfilled the Mosaic Law. In Matthew 11:28-30, Jesus referred to the Mosaic Law as being a yoke that was easy and a burden that is light. He was inviting people to learn from him, not reject what he taught. By saying that we will find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as a the good way where we will find rest for our souls. The Mosaic Law God's word (Deuteronomy 5:31-33) and it is His instructions for how to love God and our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40), and it is what he commissioned his disciples to teach, so freeing us from yoke of the law would be the opposite of freeing us to evangelize and to pray and to study his word and spread his love.

It is ridiculous and Judaizing (Gal. 2:14) to think I as a Gentile, not a Jew, was ever under the Old Covenant, the Mosaic Law. Acts 15 makes it perfectly plain I was not ever to be put under that yoke, which even the Jews could not bear!

Adapted from John Trapp's comments on Matthew 5:17 -

But to fulfil it] To complete and accomplish it (πληρωσαι), for he fulfilled all righteousness, and finished the work that was given him to do, "I glorified thee on the earth, having accomplished the work which thou hast given me to do." (John 17:4). A new commandment also gave be unto us, that we love one another; which love is the complement of the law and the supplement of the gospel. Besides, "Christ is the end of the law to every one that believeth," (Rom. 10:4); yea, he doth all his works in us, and for us, saith the Church, "LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou hast also wrought all our works for us. (Isa 26:12). Thus Christ still fulfils the law in his people; into whose hearts he putteth a disposition answerable to the outward law in all things, as in the wax is the same impression that was upon the seal. This is called the law of the mind, "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I myself with the mind serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. (Rom 7:25), and answereth the law of God without, as lead answers the mould, as tally answereth tally, as indenture indenture, "For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, That I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand to lead them forth out of the land of Egypt; For they continued not in my covenant, And I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And on their heart also will I write them: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people:" (Heb 8:8-10)

"Do not suppose that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to complete." (Matt 5:17 REB)

"Do not for a moment suppose that I have come to abrogate the Law or the Prophets: I have not come to abrogate them but to give them their completion." (Matt 5:17 Weymouth)

"I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; which is not another gospel: only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema." (Gal 1:6-8)
 
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Hello there you and I just felt like posting this

You can have faith. You can show a coin that say faith in the front of it, on the back it will say works of God.

The prostitute Rahab had faith, and she put in to action of hiding the two men and sending them off in a different direction. (Something like this I can’t remember).

You can not separate faith “love God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind.” And not have love for your neighbour.

You can’t separate Faith and works (Love).

What about the two priest, and temple assistants who passed up the half beaten dead man. They had faith.

The third man had faith, and had compassion the half beaten dead man, and took him to an inn to be took care of.

God writes his laws on the hearts of believers, and all that fulfills the law is Love your neighbour as yourself — however to do this we must Love God first with all our mind, all our strength and all our heart.
 
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It is ridiculous and Judaizing (Gal. 2:14) to think I as a Gentile, not a Jew, was ever under the Old Covenant, the Mosaic Law.

Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so Paul's problem with the Judaizers was not that they were teaching Gentiles how to follow Christ, but that they were wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved (Acts 15:1), which I have never suggested, so I am in complete agreement with Paul's stance against the Judaizers. The reason that God commanded circumcision was never in order to become saved, so circumcision was being used for a man-made purpose that went above and beyond the purpose for which God commanded it. So the Jerusalem Council upheld the Mosaic Law by correctly ruling against that requirement, and a ruling against requiring something that God never commanded should not be mistaken as being a ruling against obeying what God has commanded, as if the Jerusalem Council had the authority to countermand God.

In Acts 10:28, Peter referred to a law that forbade Jews to visit or associate with Gentiles, however, this is not a law that is found anywhere in the Mosaic Law, so again it is a man-made law. It was this law that Peter was obeying in Galatian 2:11-16 when he stopped visiting or associating with the Gentiles, and by doing so, he was giving credibility to those who were wanting to requiring Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified, which is why Paul rebuked him and reiterated that we are justified by faith, not by works of the law, so again you should be more careful not take mistake something that was only said against obeying man-made requirements as being against obeying God.

While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same laws for how to testify about His nature. The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and that standard is God's nature, which has been revealed through His law. If Gentiles were not under the God's law, then Gentiles would have no need to refrain from sin and would have no need for Jesus to save them by giving himself to redeem them from all lawlessness. However, God is sovereign, so we are all under His law and are obligated to obey it regardless of which covenant we are under, if any, such as when God judged the world with the Flood because of their wickedness. They didn't get the choice of whether they wanted to be under God's law and neither do you, but the choice you do get to make is whether or not you are going to heed the Gospel message, repent, and obey.

Acts 15 makes it perfectly plain I was not ever to be put under that yoke, which even the Jews could not bear!

In Acts 15:1, Judaizers who had come from Judea wanted to require all Gentiles to become circumcised according to the custom of Moses in order to be saved, which was a false position of being saved by works. They were countered in Acts 15:4-5 by a group of believers who rose up from the Pharisees that were inside of Jerusalem, who said that it is necessary for Gentiles to become circumcised and order them to keep the Torah, so because they were valid believers in the faith, they were taking the position of salvation by faith and that Gentiles needed to obey the Torah as a matter of obedience as the expression of their faith. The third group was the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:4, who was facilitating the debate between the first two groups, and the fourth group were Gentile converts who were new to the faith, who were still influenced by pagan practices. So no one was arguing for the position that Gentiles didn't need to obey the Torah.

In Acts 15:6-9, Peter made the case that God who knows their hearts acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit and purified their hearts by faith, so he was supporting the second group. In Acts 15:10, the burden that no one could bear was salvation by works in Acts 15:1. God said in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 that the Torah is not too difficult to obey, and in 1 John 5:3, the commandments of God are not burdensome. In Acts 15:11, Peter reiterated that we are saved by grace, which again counted the first group and supported the second, which Paul and Barnabas gave additional support to in verse 12. In Acts 15:13-18, James gave a third witness by quoting the prophets by showing that it was always God's plan to include Gentiles in the restoration of Israel. So they all ruled against salvation by works and supported the position presented in verse 5, while no one made a case against Gentiles keeping the Torah.

Not only was it unreasonable to require obedience to the Torah to earn salvation, but it was also unreasonable to expect new believers to understand and apply all of God's laws on day one. All of God's works are known to Him from eternity, but Gentiles are still learning them, so James was softening the position taken in verse 5. The four laws listed in Acts 15:19-21 are all from the Torah, so again, no one was arguing against Gentiles obeying it, but rather James was saying that they needed to first focus their priority on refraining from pagan idolatry, and then continue to learn how to obey Moses by hearing him taught every Sabbath in the synagogues, which was in support of the position in verse 5. Those four laws are clearly not an exhaustive list of everything that a mature Gentile believer is required to do.

Adapted from John Trapp's comments on Matthew 5:17 -
But to fulfil it] To complete and accomplish it (πληρωσαι), for he fulfilled all righteousness, and finished the work that was given him to do, "I glorified thee on the earth, having accomplished the work which thou hast given me to do." (John 17:4). A new commandment also gave be unto us, that we love one another; which love is the complement of the law and the supplement of the gospel. Besides, "Christ is the end of the law to every one that believeth," (Rom. 10:4); yea, he doth all his works in us, and for us, saith the Church, "LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou hast also wrought all our works for us. (Isa 26:12). Thus Christ still fulfils the law in his people; into whose hearts he putteth a disposition answerable to the outward law in all things, as in the wax is the same impression that was upon the seal. This is called the law of the mind, "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I myself with the mind serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. (Rom 7:25), and answereth the law of God without, as lead answers the mould, as tally answereth tally, as indenture indenture, "For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, That I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand to lead them forth out of the land of Egypt; For they continued not in my covenant, And I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And on their heart also will I write them: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people:" (Heb 8:8-10)

"Do not suppose that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to complete." (Matt 5:17 REB)

"Do not for a moment suppose that I have come to abrogate the Law or the Prophets: I have not come to abrogate them but to give them their completion." (Matt 5:17 Weymouth)

In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it, so fulfilling the law should not be interpreted as meaning essentially the same thing as abolishing them. Furthermore, I quoted the only definition the NAS Greek lexicon lists as being specifically in regard to the law, so when that definition fits with what Jesus immediately proceeded to do next after he said he came to fulfill the law, then you should give a reason for why you have rejected it, though completing our understanding of how to correctly obey the law also fits. Again, in Galatians 5:14, fulfilling the law refers to something that countless people has done, not to something that Jesus did on our behalf, and fulfilling the Law of Moses should consistently be interpreted in the same way as fulfilling the Law of Christ, which is again something that anyone can do.

The command to love one another is found in Leviticus 19:18. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so a relationship with Christ is the goal of the Mosaic Law, which is the same thing that Romans 10:4 is speaking about. The Mosaic Law is the law that Paul served with his mind, and in Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law.

"I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; which is not another gospel: only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema." (Gal 1:6-8)

Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand (Matthew 4:17-23), and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Jesus prophesied would be proclaimed to the nations (Matthew 24:12-14). The same goes for how Peter's audience knew what sin is when he told them to repent for the forgiveness of sin in Acts 2:38. In Romans 15:4, Paul said OT writings are for our instruction and in 15:18-19, his Gospel message involved bringing the Gentiles to full obedience in word and in deed, so his Gospel was on the same page in regard to teaching repentance from our sins.
 
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Hebrews 9:16–17 (AV)
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Jesus is obviously Testator of the New Testament. So the dividing line between Old and New Testaments is not at the end of Malachi 4 and the beginning of Matthew 1.

Rather, it is interlaced in the Gospels at Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46, and John 19:30.

So what?

So everything in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are under Old Testament Law prior to those scriptures.
The Sermon on the Mount was not taught to compel Christians to live stricter lives than the Pharisees,
for example. Cutting off or gouging out body parts to keep out of hell comes to mind.
Jesus was metaphorically saying that we must deal radically with our sin.
Forgiving everyone so our Heavenly Father will forgive us. These are works under the Law and not mercy under Grace.

Rightly dividing the word of truth in this way removes the confusion:
  • is it Grace alone (Ephesians 2:8-10)?
  • or is it works (Matthew 5:27-30 / Matthew 6:14-15 / Mark 11:26)?
  • is it New Testament to tithe (Matthew 23:23 / Luke 11:42 / Luke 18:12)?
  • or according to your abundance / cheerful heart giving (2 Corinthians 8:10 -15 / 2 Corinthians 9:7)?
Footnote: It would be wrong not to support a ministry financially that you benefit from frequently (Bible study, prayer service, praise and worship service, child care, etc.). But at the same time we should not substitute these things for our own ministries which we are called to as all believers are priests of God (Revelation 1:6 / Revelation 5:10 / 1 Peter 2:3-9). Not all in Christ are called to preach, and the local congregational meetings are to supplement our own ministries... NOT replace them. So we should consider our own ministries worthy of our support... as well as giving to the local Church.
 
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Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so Paul's problem with the Judaizers was not that they were teaching Gentiles how to follow Christ, but that they were wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved (Acts 15:1), which I have never suggested, so I am in complete agreement with Paul's stance against the Judaizers. The reason that God commanded circumcision was never in order to become saved, so circumcision was being used for a man-made purpose that went above and beyond the purpose for which God commanded it. So the Jerusalem Council upheld the Mosaic Law by correctly ruling against that requirement, and a ruling against requiring something that God never commanded should not be mistaken as being a ruling against obeying what God has commanded, as if the Jerusalem Council had the authority to countermand God.

In Acts 10:28, Peter referred to a law that forbade Jews to visit or associate with Gentiles, however, this is not a law that is found anywhere in the Mosaic Law, so again it is a man-made law. It was this law that Peter was obeying in Galatian 2:11-16 when he stopped visiting or associating with the Gentiles, and by doing so, he was giving credibility to those who were wanting to requiring Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified, which is why Paul rebuked him and reiterated that we are justified by faith, not by works of the law, so again you should be more careful not take mistake something that was only said against obeying man-made requirements as being against obeying God.

While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same laws for how to testify about His nature. The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and that standard is God's nature, which has been revealed through His law. If Gentiles were not under the God's law, then Gentiles would have no need to refrain from sin and would have no need for Jesus to save them by giving himself to redeem them from all lawlessness. However, God is sovereign, so we are all under His law and are obligated to obey it regardless of which covenant we are under, if any, such as when God judged the world with the Flood because of their wickedness. They didn't get the choice of whether they wanted to be under God's law and neither do you, but the choice you do get to make is whether or not you are going to heed the Gospel message, repent, and obey.



In Acts 15:1, Judaizers who had come from Judea wanted to require all Gentiles to become circumcised according to the custom of Moses in order to be saved, which was a false position of being saved by works. They were countered in Acts 15:4-5 by a group of believers who rose up from the Pharisees that were inside of Jerusalem, who said that it is necessary for Gentiles to become circumcised and order them to keep the Torah, so because they were valid believers in the faith, they were taking the position of salvation by faith and that Gentiles needed to obey the Torah as a matter of obedience as the expression of their faith. The third group was the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:4, who was facilitating the debate between the first two groups, and the fourth group were Gentile converts who were new to the faith, who were still influenced by pagan practices. So no one was arguing for the position that Gentiles didn't need to obey the Torah.

In Acts 15:6-9, Peter made the case that God who knows their hearts acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit and purified their hearts by faith, so he was supporting the second group. In Acts 15:10, the burden that no one could bear was salvation by works in Acts 15:1. God said in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 that the Torah is not too difficult to obey, and in 1 John 5:3, the commandments of God are not burdensome. In Acts 15:11, Peter reiterated that we are saved by grace, which again counted the first group and supported the second, which Paul and Barnabas gave additional support to in verse 12. In Acts 15:13-18, James gave a third witness by quoting the prophets by showing that it was always God's plan to include Gentiles in the restoration of Israel. So they all ruled against salvation by works and supported the position presented in verse 5, while no one made a case against Gentiles keeping the Torah.

Not only was it unreasonable to require obedience to the Torah to earn salvation, but it was also unreasonable to expect new believers to understand and apply all of God's laws on day one. All of God's works are known to Him from eternity, but Gentiles are still learning them, so James was softening the position taken in verse 5. The four laws listed in Acts 15:19-21 are all from the Torah, so again, no one was arguing against Gentiles obeying it, but rather James was saying that they needed to first focus their priority on refraining from pagan idolatry, and then continue to learn how to obey Moses by hearing him taught every Sabbath in the synagogues, which was in support of the position in verse 5. Those four laws are clearly not an exhaustive list of everything that a mature Gentile believer is required to do.



In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it, so fulfilling the law should not be interpreted as meaning essentially the same thing as abolishing them. Furthermore, I quoted the only definition the NAS Greek lexicon lists as being specifically in regard to the law, so when that definition fits with what Jesus immediately proceeded to do next after he said he came to fulfill the law, then you should give a reason for why you have rejected it, though completing our understanding of how to correctly obey the law also fits. Again, in Galatians 5:14, fulfilling the law refers to something that countless people has done, not to something that Jesus did on our behalf, and fulfilling the Law of Moses should consistently be interpreted in the same way as fulfilling the Law of Christ, which is again something that anyone can do.

The command to love one another is found in Leviticus 19:18. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so a relationship with Christ is the goal of the Mosaic Law, which is the same thing that Romans 10:4 is speaking about. The Mosaic Law is the law that Paul served with his mind, and in Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law.



Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand (Matthew 4:17-23), and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Jesus prophesied would be proclaimed to the nations (Matthew 24:12-14). The same goes for how Peter's audience knew what sin is when he told them to repent for the forgiveness of sin in Acts 2:38. In Romans 15:4, Paul said OT writings are for our instruction and in 15:18-19, his Gospel message involved bringing the Gentiles to full obedience in word and in deed, so his Gospel was on the same page in regard to teaching repentance from our sins.

What is a Judaizer?

"But when I saw that they did not walk uprightly with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before all, If you being a Jew, live heathen-like, and not as the Jews, why do you compel the nations to Judaize?" (Gal 2:14 LITV)
"But when I saw that their conduct did not square with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of the whole congregation, ‘If you, a Jew born and bred, live like a Gentile, and not like a Jew, how can you insist that Gentiles must live like Jews?'" (Gal 2:14 REB)

God's law, commonly called moral law, or the substance of the Ten Commandments existed and can be seen all through the book of Genesis, before Moses and Mosaic Law existed; therefore sin existed as did death prior to Moses! A very good online article, giving the texts is available:
Ten Commandments in Genesis & Job

The Law of Moses, Mosaic Law had a specific start date and it was given to Israel alone, NOT to the nations, the Gentiles; yet reading Job we know God's law and righteous men existed prior to Moses:

"What great nation is there whose statutes and laws are so just, as is all this code of laws which I am setting before you today?" (Deut 4:8 REB)
"These are the commandments which the Lord gave to Moses on Mount Sinai for the Israelites." (Lev 27:34 REB)

Moses prophesied of a coming prophet and to Him were the people to hear and heed:

"The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; it is to him you must listen. All this follows from your request to the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly. There you said, ‘Let us not hear again the voice of the Lord our God, nor see this great fire again, or we shall die.’ Then the Lord said to me, ‘What they have said is right. I shall raise up for them a prophet like you, one of their own people, and I shall put my words into his mouth. He will declare to them whatever I command him; if anyone refuses to listen to the words which he will speak in my name I shall call that person to account." (Deut 18:15-19 REB)

The Mosaic Law, the Law of Moses for the Old Covenant people lasted until the seed came, who is the Christ:

"Then what of the law? It was added to make wrongdoing a legal offence; it was an interim measure pending the arrival of the ‘issue’ to whom the promise was made. It was promulgated through angels, and there was an intermediary;" (Gal 3:19 REB)
"Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring would come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained through angels by a mediator." (Gal 3:19 NRSV)

In speaking of “a new covenant,” he has made the first one obsolete. And what is obsolete and growing old will soon disappear. (Heb 8:13 NRSV)

All of the worldly reasoning and Scripture twisting cannot refute the clear statements of God's word!
 
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