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Bomb Sent to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton

9:45 AM PT -- NYPD is holding a news conference to discuss the device found at the Time Warner Center.

A device was also sent to former Attorney General Eric Holder, who's expected to run for Prez in 2020 ... according to CNN. However, the package had the wrong address, and went back to Wasserman-Schultz' return address.

That appears to be the device that was found Wednesday morning at her Florida office.

8:55 AM PT -- All the packages reportedly have the same return address, which belongs to Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. She was chairperson for the Democratic National Committee from 2011 to 2016.

8:40 AM PT -- Democratic Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz's Florida office was just evacuated after a suspicious package was mailed there Wednesday morning. The bomb squad is currently on scene.

7:55 AM PT -- Law enforcement sources tell TMZ the package sent to the CNN building was addressed to former CIA Director John Brennan, who has been a frequent CNN contributor. The package was a manila envelope with 6 stamps.

7:55 AM PT -- It now appears the stories that a bomb was sent to The White House are incorrect. As far as we can tell right now, no such device was sent. That re-focuses the terrorist attacks and strongly indicates the targets were prominent Democrats who were highly critical of Donald Trump.

Also, Time Warner Center in NYC where CNN is located has been evacuated after a suspicious device was found in the mail room. That device, we're told, resembles a pipe bomb.

Bomb found at philanthropist George Soros' suburban home



JOSHUA BRIGHT – New York Times
FILE -- George Soros at his office in New York on May 27, 2014. An explosive device was found on Monday, Sept. 22, 2018, in a mailbox at a home of Soros, the billionaire philanthropist who is a favorite target of right-wing groups, in a suburb north of New York City, the authorities said. (Joshua Bright/The New York Times)

NEW YORK — A bomb was found in a mailbox at the suburban New York home of George Soros, the liberal billionaire philanthropist who has been denounced by President Donald Trump and vilified by right-wing conspiracy theorists, authorities said Tuesday.

Federal agents safely detonated the device after being summoned Monday by a security officer at the sprawling, wooded compound, about 50 miles (80 kilometers) north of Manhattan. The 88-year-old Soros was not home at the time.
 
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Insane. Politics shouldn't drive people to this.

The division in the U.S. is getting ridiculous and for pathetic reasons. Is this sort of thing really worth it?

The irony is that the person(s) that sent these are probably some 'freedom loving constitutionalist' that is salty his 'free speech is being infringed upon by snowflakes!' whilst ironically trying to silence others by murdering them.
 
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[QUOTE="High Fidelity, post: 73312374, member: 346907"
The irony is that the person(s) that sent these are probably some 'freedom loving constitutionalist' that is salty his 'free speech is being infringed upon by snowflakes!' whilst ironically trying to silence others by murdering them.
Before you point the finger, you need to ask yourself what possible gain can the Republicans have in planting these bombs.
Everyone, you included, does a thoughtless knee jerk accusation of the right.

The most likely answer is that, right before the elections, this is a false flag event by someone on the left, done in order that simpletons will accuse the Republicans.
 
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Much agreed. It's nice to see our VP and President quick to condemn it.
I remember there were repeated assasination attempts on Clinton. I always thought it was the influence of a sensationalist media on unstable minds.
 
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Much agreed. It's nice to see our VP and President quick to condemn it.
They need to do more than just condemn it. They need to change their way of pitching their rhetoric. Both sides have always had their blame pointing and lies about the other side but things have been getting increasingly more focused on violence over the past 20 years.

The world isn't going to come to an end if Democrats get control of Congress, just as it won't if they don't.

Telling lies which infuriates the crazies is just wrong and inexcusable, especially for those who claim to be Christian.
 
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[QUOTE="High Fidelity, post: 73312374, member: 346907"
Before you point the finger, you need to ask yourself what possible gain can the Republicans have in planting these bombs.
Everyone, you included, does a thoughtless knee jerk accusation of the right.

The most likely answer is that, right before the elections, this is a false flag event by someone on the left, done in order that simpletons will accuse the Republicans.
What was that you said? Oh yeah, before you point the finger, you need to ask yourself...

Republicans have a lot to lose from this but to think that the left would gain something by sending bombs to many important people on the left is just ridiculous. Most likely it is some lone, loony tune far right winger which went off the deep end from listening to campaign speeches about mob rule, or violent liberal up risings, etc...

There is no excuse from either left or right for inciting their voting base to react with violence.
 
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Republicans have a lot to lose from this but to think that the left would gain something by sending bombs to many important people on the left is just ridiculous.

To claim the left would not gain is a bit naïve, they are already gaining huge propaganda value from it!
The left have a history of this. WW2 was started by a false flag attack against ethnic Germans in Poland, done of course by the Nazis, or should I say, Hitler's Socialist Workers party. They blamed the Poles and immediately invaded as had been planned all along.

In this case, the bombs are crude to the extreme and made so obvious that they could be spotted before any damage happens.
Bomb Disposal Expert Claims Mail Bombs Sent To Democratic Leaders Are an ‘Obvious Hoax’ – Truth Revolution
 
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The left have a history of this. WW2 was started by a false flag attack against ethnic Germans in Poland,

I don’t think it’s possible to explain just how absurd that idea is.
 
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To claim the left would not gain is a bit naïve, they are already gaining huge propaganda value from it!
The left have a history of this. WW2 was started by a false flag attack against ethnic Germans in Poland, done of course by the Nazis, or should I say, Hitler's Socialist Workers party. They blamed the Poles and immediately invaded as had been planned all along.

In this case, the bombs are crude to the extreme and made so obvious that they could be spotted before any damage happens.
Bomb Disposal Expert Claims Mail Bombs Sent To Democratic Leaders Are an ‘Obvious Hoax’ – Truth Revolution

Why would you take this seriously? Honestly, I really want to understand why anyone would consider sites of this sort, presenting a sole view based on virtually nothing as something approaching reliable or informative. What are your reasons?
 
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There are 333 million people in the US. What are the odds that a few of them, from any/all political persuasions, are just straight up crazy? What are the odds that a few of them watch cable news all day read selective internet sources all day and think those things represent reality?
 
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To claim the left would not gain is a bit naïve, they are already gaining huge propaganda value from it!
There could be some idiot on the left who did this but it is not close to be the most likely scenario.
The left have a history of this. WW2 was started by a false flag attack against ethnic Germans in Poland, done of course by the Nazis, or should I say, Hitler's Socialist Workers party.
To somehow try to align Hitler with the left, just because the Party had the word "socialist" in it is absurd. I guess you also assume that the National Socialist Movement is liberal just because they use "socialist" in the title, yet, they put full support behind Donald Trump and vote Republican. Hitler was a far right winger who used the worker's party for his own gain and eliminated the Socialist aspects of the party in the late 1920's.
They blamed the Poles and immediately invaded as had been planned all along.
The false flag attack on the German radio station staged by right wing Nazi's.
In this case, the bombs are crude to the extreme and made so obvious that they could be spotted before any damage happens.
Crude, yes but still extremely deadly if not found.
Maybe, then, we should ask, "Who would gain the most from a fake bomb scare which was intended to look like Democrats were targeted by the right but the bombs were really meant to make the left look crazy by sending obviously fake bombs so the right would look crazy, deep breath, pant pant, and so on... " ;)
 
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[QUOTE="High Fidelity, post: 73312374, member: 346907"
Before you point the finger, you need to ask yourself what possible gain can the Republicans have in planting these bombs.
Everyone, you included, does a thoughtless knee jerk accusation of the right.

The most likely answer is that, right before the elections, this is a false flag event by someone on the left, done in order that simpletons will accuse the Republicans.
I heard that this could be a smokescreen by someone in the Leftist side, or maybe even Russian connected!
 
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They need to do more than just condemn it.
Well, I should think it's better than what the opposition's leaders have done after similar acts when they were aimed at conservatives. I am referring to them having either remained silent or, worse, blamed the intended victims.
 
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Why would you take this seriously? Honestly, I really want to understand why anyone would consider sites of this sort, presenting a sole view based on virtually nothing as something approaching reliable or informative. What are your reasons?
The history is prtetty much that right wing nuts cases are lone wolves, see uni bomber, while the leftist ones seem to be organized in conspiracies and cell groups!
 
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What was that you said? Oh yeah, before you point the finger, you need to ask yourself...

Republicans have a lot to lose from this but to think that the left would gain something by sending bombs to many important people on the left is just ridiculous. Most likely it is some lone, loony tune far right winger which went off the deep end from listening to campaign speeches about mob rule, or violent liberal up risings, etc...

There is no excuse from either left or right for inciting their voting base to react with violence.

It's ridiculous. The left is being systematically painted as evil, so it isn't surprising some self-righteous conservative probably thinks he's going to be a Republican hero for doing something like this.

Don't forget, even school shooters have avid fanbases after the fact. We live in a sick world.
 
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I heard that this could be a smokescreen by someone in the Leftist side, or maybe even Russian connected!

Oh for God's sake. Everything is a conspiracy.
 
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Well, I should think it's better than what the opposition's leaders have done after similar acts when they were aimed at conservatives. I am referring to them having either remained silent or, worse, blamed the intended victims.
Then, I assume, that you agree with my post. :)
 
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