right to carry laws lead to rise in violence

[imind]

Laws in all 50 states permitting people to carry concealed firearms in public have been connected to a rise in violent crimes, according to a new report from researchers at Stanford and Johns Hopkins universities.

of course, this will be dismissed immediately by gun nuts...

 

[KitKatMatt]

Links please.

 

[tulc]

Links please.

Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

found this.
tulc(likes to help)

 

[MachZer0]

The researcher seems to believe that correlation equals causation. The article demonstrated no LINK between right to carry and violent crime

 

[KitKatMatt]

Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

found this.
tulc(likes to help)

Thank you!

 

[EdwinWillers]

of course, this will be dismissed immediately by gun nuts...

...as it should be by rational, thinking individuals.

Last section of the article:

"Different statistical models can yield different estimated effects, and our ability to ascertain the best model is imperfect," Donohue said, describing this as the most surprising aspect of the study.

He said that many scholars struggle with the issue of methodology in researching the effects of right-to-carry laws. But overall, his study benefits from the recent data.

Donohue suggested it is worth exploring other methodological approaches as well. "Sensitive results and anomalies – such as the occasional estimates that right-to-carry laws lead to higher rates of property crime – have plagued this inquiry for over a decade," he said.

In other words, these "researchers" are using models from which to draw their conclusions - models which "can yield different estimated effects." And these maroons are happy at least that their study is benefitting from the data (no doubt they are), having expressed "surprise" that the results aren't consistent.

Good grief - the goal here is so transparent it's absurd.

One positive - the employ of such methodologies by "scientists" to prove pre-conceived hypotheses based on core leftist ideologies and goals - here, and the more publicized global cooling/warming/changing/warming nonsense - is exposing leftist methodologies for what they truly are - bunk.

But, no doubt the anti-gun crowd will glom on to this methodology with similar fervor as they have with global cooling/warming/changing/warming too - you know, because the results are in-line with their beliefs.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Violent crimes are decreasing.

 

[EdwinWillers]

The researcher seems to believe that correlation equals causation. The article demonstrated no LINK between right to carry and violent crime

It's in his model with the variables named thus:

Dim vRightToCarry as variant
Dim vViolentCrime as variant

Where:

vViolentCrime = vRightToCarry

Unfortunately the other variables in his model aren't cooperating (yet) to achieve the desired outcome consistently.

Probably an error somewhere in his estimate.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

of course, this will be dismissed immediately by gun nuts...

umm...probably because it's not actually worth reading.

Meanwhile, from the FBI UCR, or, the people who tabulate the actual number of violent crimes rather than relying on statistical models comes this interesting bit of information:

When considering 5- and 10-year trends, the 2013 estimated violent crime total was 12.3 percent below the 2009 level and 14.5 percent below the 2004 level. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)

 

[RDKirk]

"Different statistical models can yield different estimated effects, and our ability to ascertain the best model is imperfect," Donohue said, describing this as the most surprising aspect of the study.
He said that many scholars struggle with the issue of methodology in researching the effects of right-to-carry laws. But overall, his study benefits from the recent data.

I remember when the CIA used to end analyses that lacked hard data with "...but the possibility of the converse cannot be discounted."


This article doesn't link to any data used or generated by the study or even to the study, and rather is merely a press release about the study.



It appears to fly in the face of the raw data from law enforcement agencies denoting quantitatively that violent crimes of all types have decreased over the last couple of decades. I don't see how raw data showing a decrease can be remodeled to show an increase--regardless of reason.


The data I've seen that tracks actual behavior in various regions regarding right to carry laws--that is, data for regions where the new laws directly resulted in an increase of people being armed more often--indicate that violent crime rates did not change at all as a result, either up or down.


When corrected for the overall downward trend of violent crime, regions where people carry more as a result of the new laws did not experience a change related to carrying more. Regions that had high rates of violent crime continued to have high rates of violent crime; regions that did not experience high rates of violent crime did not suffer an increase.

 

[The Twister]

...as it should be by rational, thinking individuals.

You know, that's right.

 

[The Twister]

The 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

 

[tulc]

You know, that's right.

you know who else wanted gun control? This guy:

tulc(is just sayn')

 

[The Twister]

you know who else wanted gun control? This guy:

tulc(is just sayn')

 

[The Twister]

"To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens." - Adolf Hitler

 

[tulc]

Interesting thing about President Reagan: A) he supported the Brady Bill and B) he got shot while SURROUNDED by people well trained with guns and intent on protecting him. Seems that adding a lot of guns to a situation doesn't always make that situation much safer.
seen thease:

“This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety ... While we recognize that assault-weapon legislation will not stop all assault-weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a May 3, 1994 letter to the U.S. House of Representatives, which was also signed by Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.



“I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen for sporting, for hunting and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense of a home.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a speech at his 78th birthday celebration in Los Angeles on February 6, 1989.



“Certain forms of ammunition have no legitimate sporting, recreational, or self-defense use and thus should be prohibited.”

--Ronald Reagan, in an August 28, 1986 signing statement on a bill that banned the production and importation of armor-piercing bullets.



“With the right to bear arms comes a great responsibility to use caution and common sense on handgun purchases.”

--Ronald Reagan, speech at George Washington University in a on March 29, 1991.



“Every year, an average of 9,200 Americans are murdered by handguns, according to Department of Justice statistics. This does not include suicides or the tens of thousands of robberies, rapes and assaults committed with handguns. This level of violence must be stopped.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a March 29, 1991 New York Times op-ed in support of the Brady Bill.



“I think maybe there could be some restrictions that there had to be a certain amount of training taken.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a press conference in Toronto on June 21, 1988, suggesting that prospective gun owners should have to receive training before purchasing a firearm.


“Well, I think there has to be some (gun) control.”

--Ronald Reagan, during a question-and-answer session with high-school students on November 14, 1988.

tulc(thought you'd be interested)

 

[tulc]

Interesting thing about President Reagan: A) he supported the Brady Bill and B) he got shot while SURROUNDED by people well trained with guns and intent on protecting him. Seems that adding a lot of guns to a situation doesn't always make that situation much safer.
seen these:

“This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety ... While we recognize that assault-weapon legislation will not stop all assault-weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a May 3, 1994 letter to the U.S. House of Representatives, which was also signed by Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.



“I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen for sporting, for hunting and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense of a home.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a speech at his 78th birthday celebration in Los Angeles on February 6, 1989.



“Certain forms of ammunition have no legitimate sporting, recreational, or self-defense use and thus should be prohibited.”

--Ronald Reagan, in an August 28, 1986 signing statement on a bill that banned the production and importation of armor-piercing bullets.



“With the right to bear arms comes a great responsibility to use caution and common sense on handgun purchases.”

--Ronald Reagan, speech at George Washington University in a on March 29, 1991.



“Every year, an average of 9,200 Americans are murdered by handguns, according to Department of Justice statistics. This does not include suicides or the tens of thousands of robberies, rapes and assaults committed with handguns. This level of violence must be stopped.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a March 29, 1991 New York Times op-ed in support of the Brady Bill.



“I think maybe there could be some restrictions that there had to be a certain amount of training taken.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a press conference in Toronto on June 21, 1988, suggesting that prospective gun owners should have to receive training before purchasing a firearm.


“Well, I think there has to be some (gun) control.”

--Ronald Reagan, during a question-and-answer session with high-school students on November 14, 1988.

tulc(thought you'd be interested)

 

[tulc]

sorry, no idea why there are two posts.
tulc(hopes the spelling error n the first one can be overlooked) :o

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Interesting thing about President Reagan: A) he supported the Brady Bill and B) he got shot while SURROUNDED by people well trained with guns and intent on protecting him. Seems that adding a lot of guns to a situation doesn't always make that situation much safer.
seen these:

tulc(thought you'd be interested)

Just because a quote is from Reagan doesn't mean that conservatives and libertarians agree with it or that it necessarily is correct. The assault weapons ban was not effective. That isn't surprising since the most commonly used firearm in criminal activity is a .38 revolver.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I'm pretty sure poverty, ignorance, and lack of opportunity to advance cause more violent crimes than any access to firearms.