Revelation 20:9 - Are we nearly there?

[claninja]

I wouldn't really classify this as a prediction, as much as a calculation and assumption. The calculation is the number of years since Adam, which I find extremely interesting, but the assumption is that the 6000 year mark is significant. I think it might be, but we won't know until we get there.

So Keras stating that in 9.5 years the the church age ends and 1,000 year reign of Christ begins is not a prediction?

I disagree.

What do you think? Do you think the 6,000 year mark might be significant?

All speculation.

The millennial day theory has been around for thousands of years (pun intended), and the goals keep getting pushed back.

 

[Dave L]

Revelation 20:7-9
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Obviously for anyone to believe we're almost there, they would have to believe that we're currently living in the millennium, which I realize many people do not, but even from those people I ask to consider what they believe this time will look like and contribute to the conversation on that level.

I believe we're currently in the thousand years and I believe the thousand years started sometime in the first century AD. Not sure if it was at Jesus' resurrection, or the destruction of Jerusalem, but no matter. The point is, I believe that the next major event to happen on the prophetic timeline is the end of the thousand years, which is precipitated by the release of Satan. So what would this look like?

I believe what I'm seeing in the world today looks very much like we're nearing the end of the thousand years and I'll explain why. Revelation 20:9 tells us that Satan will do three things.

1. Deceive the nations
2. Gather the nations for battle
3. Surround the people of God

I believe Satan would be released invisibly but that he would immediately set to work prepping the people to do his dirty work, and that would primarily involve deceiving people into believing that Christianity is evil, and then leveraging that belief into an outright attack on Christianity.

Deception

The deception that we're seeing now in the world is at a level I've not seen in my life time (I'm 49 years old). Just 12 months ago I felt that 9/11 was the greatest deception to ever be perpetrated on the general public, although the "climate emergency" talk was a close second in my mind. Today our governments and media lie to us every single day about everything and anything, we're told that there are no genders, that everybody is racist, that killing unborn babies is a "women's health right" and that demanding a fair election makes you guilty of "ripping up the constitution" and in need of "deprogramming". In the eyes of many today, truth is hateful and evil is righteous.

Gathering

The redefinition of gender, the erasing of lines between male and female, the fight for sexual immorality and the accusations of "hate speech", with its fluid definition, getting nearer and nearer to the teachings of our Bible and it's not hard to see where this is going. Public individuals are already calling for the Bible to be classified as hate speech, and how long will it be before elected politicians make it official? I just can't see this taking more than 5 or 10 years at most.

Surrounding

Clearly this "surrounding" would have to be a spiritual surrounding because Christians live all over the world so it can not be the surrounding of a single city. I imagine this to be the marginalization and indeed criminalization of Christianity, and this, seems very near indeed. Sweden is already jailing pastors for preaching that homosexuality is sinful, California has made it a criminal offense to criticize homosexuality in schools and Scotland's proposed new hate crime bill includes vague language that can easily be used to label the Bible as criminal.

Now to get to the next step I think things would have to get much worse and the Bible would indeed have to be outright banned, and the attacking of Christians not only tolerated but encouraged, so I don't think we're there yet (at least not in western nations) but things seem to be progressing rapidly now so it may not be long.

Other Signs

Other signs that have me thinking we're nearing the end of the age revolve more around science, than faith or the current socio-political climate. The combining of human DNA with animal DNA; Scientists can essentially do it now though it's not widely done. will God allow it? Scientific discoveries, now that the god particle has been discovered and we start talking about time travel and other dimensions; how much will God allow us to discover about the universe? The alien agenda seems to be more and more accepted in the mainstream as if we're "almost ready" for disclosure; will the aliens have a part to play in the final deception?

I personally would be very surprised if we're still here in 2040, and I would be somewhat surprised if we're still here in 2030. Yes, of course, I could be completely wrong (just as my mother was when she was certain that 1987 would be the "year of the rapture" because Hal Lindsey said so) and that's fine. I'm not making a prediction or anything like that. I'm just saying, based on what I'm seeing today, it seems unlikely to me that God will allow us to continue on our current trajectory for much longer.

Is anybody else thinking along these same lines, or am I on an island here?

I believe we are at the end of what the 1000 years symbolize. Daniel said at the end knowledge will be increased. This speaks of our times. Also the false doctrines since the 1800s. Antichrist still sitting in most of Christendom doctrinally controlling their interpretation of scripture. Gog and Magog conducting a spiritual armageddon against the few believers.

 

[parousia70]

I wouldn't really classify this as a prediction, as much as a calculation and assumption. The calculation is the number of years since Adam, which I find extremely interesting, but the assumption is that the 6000 year mark is significant. I think it might be, but we won't know until we get there.

What do you think? Do you think the 6,000 year mark might be significant?

God Promised to be faithful to His creation for 1000 generations:
Deuteronomy 7:9
1 Chronicles 16:15
Psalm 105:8

We know from scripture that a "generation" is somewhere between 40-120 earth years, so we have, ordained by the Living God, a promise that His creation will continue for 40,000-120,000 earth years at a bare minimum.

We also have the sure and certain promise that the earth and material cosmos will exist forever (Ecc 1:4; Ps 78:69; 89:36-37; 104:5; 148:4-6; Eph 3:21) and that human generations are unending and perpetual (Ps 145:13; Dan 4:3,34; Dan 7:14,18,27; Lk 1:33)

"Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen."

 

[nolidad]

Revelation 20:7-9
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Obviously for anyone to believe we're almost there, they would have to believe that we're currently living in the millennium, which I realize many people do not, but even from those people I ask to consider what they believe this time will look like and contribute to the conversation on that level.

I believe we're currently in the thousand years and I believe the thousand years started sometime in the first century AD. Not sure if it was at Jesus' resurrection, or the destruction of Jerusalem, but no matter. The point is, I believe that the next major event to happen on the prophetic timeline is the end of the thousand years, which is precipitated by the release of Satan. So what would this look like?

I believe what I'm seeing in the world today looks very much like we're nearing the end of the thousand years and I'll explain why. Revelation 20:9 tells us that Satan will do three things.

1. Deceive the nations
2. Gather the nations for battle
3. Surround the people of God

I believe Satan would be released invisibly but that he would immediately set to work prepping the people to do his dirty work, and that would primarily involve deceiving people into believing that Christianity is evil, and then leveraging that belief into an outright attack on Christianity.

Deception

The deception that we're seeing now in the world is at a level I've not seen in my life time (I'm 49 years old). Just 12 months ago I felt that 9/11 was the greatest deception to ever be perpetrated on the general public, although the "climate emergency" talk was a close second in my mind. Today our governments and media lie to us every single day about everything and anything, we're told that there are no genders, that everybody is racist, that killing unborn babies is a "women's health right" and that demanding a fair election makes you guilty of "ripping up the constitution" and in need of "deprogramming". In the eyes of many today, truth is hateful and evil is righteous.

Gathering

The redefinition of gender, the erasing of lines between male and female, the fight for sexual immorality and the accusations of "hate speech", with its fluid definition, getting nearer and nearer to the teachings of our Bible and it's not hard to see where this is going. Public individuals are already calling for the Bible to be classified as hate speech, and how long will it be before elected politicians make it official? I just can't see this taking more than 5 or 10 years at most.

Surrounding

Clearly this "surrounding" would have to be a spiritual surrounding because Christians live all over the world so it can not be the surrounding of a single city. I imagine this to be the marginalization and indeed criminalization of Christianity, and this, seems very near indeed. Sweden is already jailing pastors for preaching that homosexuality is sinful, California has made it a criminal offense to criticize homosexuality in schools and Scotland's proposed new hate crime bill includes vague language that can easily be used to label the Bible as criminal.

Now to get to the next step I think things would have to get much worse and the Bible would indeed have to be outright banned, and the attacking of Christians not only tolerated but encouraged, so I don't think we're there yet (at least not in western nations) but things seem to be progressing rapidly now so it may not be long.

Other Signs

Other signs that have me thinking we're nearing the end of the age revolve more around science, than faith or the current socio-political climate. The combining of human DNA with animal DNA; Scientists can essentially do it now though it's not widely done. will God allow it? Scientific discoveries, now that the god particle has been discovered and we start talking about time travel and other dimensions; how much will God allow us to discover about the universe? The alien agenda seems to be more and more accepted in the mainstream as if we're "almost ready" for disclosure; will the aliens have a part to play in the final deception?

I personally would be very surprised if we're still here in 2040, and I would be somewhat surprised if we're still here in 2030. Yes, of course, I could be completely wrong (just as my mother was when she was certain that 1987 would be the "year of the rapture" because Hal Lindsey said so) and that's fine. I'm not making a prediction or anything like that. I'm just saying, based on what I'm seeing today, it seems unlikely to me that God will allow us to continue on our current trajectory for much longer.

Is anybody else thinking along these same lines, or am I on an island here?

If we are living in the 1,000 year reign of Jesus on earth, I want my money back!!!!!

If the world as it is is the best that the Lord can do as King of Kings and Lord of Lords and ruling with a rod of iron- He lied!

but this is not the millenial reign and He has not been established as king yet.

 

[keras]

All speculation.

So your think 47 Bible verses are speculation?

I know there have been many speculations and wild guesswork about when this age will end. And most can be dismissed as such.

But we know that God does treat numbers as significant. The 'seven days'1000 of Creation, were most likely 1000 year periods.
Mankind got off to a bad start with Adam's sin, then God's Plan for our redemption commenced, with another amazing sequence of 1000 year periods. Or 3; 2000 year periods of mankinds rule, then a final 1000 years of Divine rule.

So Keras stating that in 9.5 years the the church age ends and 1,000 year reign of Christ begins is not a prediction?
I disagree.

It isn't my prediction, I just point it out. I have the intelligence and ability to do simple addition and subtraction.
Have you any issue with any of the Bible verses I used?

Does the thought of having to face the prophesied difficult times before Jesus Returns, worry you?

God Promised to be faithful to His creation for 1000 generations:

They were all metaphorical.
But you are right, the earth will endure forever. After the Millennium, God will come here and dwell with mankind. Revelation 21:1-7

 

[keras]

What do you think? Do you think the 6,000 year mark might be significant?

As the dates of Jesus' Ministry on earth are not certain and I am not sure whether that 3 1/2 years should be part of the 2000 years of the Church age, or not, please do not take 2029.5 as the sure time of His Return.

What is sure, is that very soon dramatic and world changing events will happen. Even secular people can see this. Covid 19 is a starter.

 

[Freedm]

So Keras stating that in 9.5 years the the church age ends and 1,000 year reign of Christ begins is not a prediction?

I disagree.

Well, whatever. It's all in how you word it I suppose.

All speculation.

The millennial day theory has been around for thousands of years (pun intended), and the goals keep getting pushed back.

Yes, well I don't subscribe to the millennial day theory either, but I do believe we're currently living in the millennium and I would be surprised if it goes much longer.

 

[Freedm]

God Promised to be faithful to His creation for 1000 generations:
Deuteronomy 7:9
1 Chronicles 16:15
Psalm 105:8

But surely you don't believe this "1000 generations" to be a literal 1000.

We also have the sure and certain promise that the earth and material cosmos will exist forever (Ecc 1:4; Ps 78:69; 89:36-37; 104:5; 148:4-6; Eph 3:21) and that human generations are unending and perpetual (Ps 145:13; Dan 4:3,34; Dan 7:14,18,27; Lk 1:33)

"Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen."

o.k. but Revelation tells us that Satan will be destroyed, so I guess that's what I'm referring to more so than the end of the world. Do you think Satan has much time left?

 

[Freedm]

If we are living in the 1,000 year reign of Jesus on earth, I want my money back!!!!!

If the world as it is is the best that the Lord can do as King of Kings and Lord of Lords and ruling with a rod of iron- He lied!

but this is not the millenial reign and He has not been established as king yet.

Lol. You want your money back because somebody told you the millennium would be free of sin and suffering? Perhaps you need to have a chat with that person.

 

[Freedm]

But we know that God does treat numbers as significant. The 'seven days'1000 of Creation, were most likely 1000 year periods.
Mankind got off to a bad start with Adam's sin, then God's Plan for our redemption commenced, with another amazing sequence of 1000 year periods. Or 3; 2000 year periods of mankinds rule, then a final 1000 years of Divine rule.

So you base your 6,000 year theory on nothing more than essentially it is what makes sense to you? Or do you have actual things you can point to, to support your belief?

 

[JulieB67]

because somebody told you the millennium would be free of sin and suffering?

I think it all goes back to the word reign when discussing the 1000 years. To reign means to "rule". How are the elect Christians co reigning/ruling at this present time, the nations? Just because the gospel is out there doesn't mean Christians are ruling the nations. For example certain people in this country are trying to wean this country away from our Heavenly Father/Christ. Many are offended at prayer, etc. And of course we know what happens to certain Christians in other countries and so how are their deaths an example of "reigning" ruling their nations? I would say other's are in fact very much "ruling' them.

I know there's the debate about premil, vs amil, etc. whether Revelation is in order or not. But the one key point for me always goes back to reign. Why use that word?

I don't believe Revelation is in chronological order as some do but I will never wrap my head around the theory that the elect Christians are co reigning the nations at this present time. If anything Christians are being pushed to the back while it's a free for all for everything else.

And going back to Satan, I feel he and his will be set loose sometime (after his battle with Michae and his angels) in the near future and the true deception will be that he will be as Paul said, "disguised as an angel of light". He will play at being savior and the whole world will wonder after him. Which is why we need to have the full armour on and in place to be able to stand in that "evil day."

 

[parousia70]

But surely you don't believe this "1000 generations" to be a literal 1000.

If the Millennium in Revelation is a literal thousand years, if the "day is a thousand years" in 2 Peter 3 is literal, I see no reason to claim a thousand generations is not likewise.
The are either ALL Literal "thousands" or they are all Symbolic.

I'm amenable to either option, but I am not amenable to the arbitrary notion of randomly picking some to be literal and some not.

o.k. but Revelation tells us that Satan will be destroyed,

Does Revelation tell us he is Destroyed, or does it tell us he is tormented forever and ever?

so I guess that's what I'm referring to more so than the end of the world.

Good, since scripture teaches that ours is a "world without end, amen"

Do you think Satan has much time left?

Satan was defeated by Christ in the 1st century. His time was up over 1900 years ago.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970.5 BCE subtracted back from 586 BCE, from:
Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BCE

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4
Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BCE.
[Many ancient records say Comet Typhon passed close the earth at that time. It was the cause of many of the disasters in Egypt.]

1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:33 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18-20 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year of 586 BCE.

Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

586 BCE + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5 CE, the date of Jesus’ baptism. Luke 3:1 Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.

3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.


Jan 2020 CE - 29.5 CE = 1990.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.

1990.5 + 4000 = 5990.5 years, is where we are now. 5990.5 + 9.5 = 6000 years

2020 CE + 9.5 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age.
4000 since Abraham, 6000 since Adam. Next comes the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

7000 years is God’s decreed time for mankind.
Those who have been found worthy will go into Eternity with God. Revelation 22:1-5

where did you find this timetable chart ?

 

[parousia70]

I think it all goes back to the word reign when discussing the 1000 years. To reign means to "rule". How are Christians co reigning/ruling at this present time, the nations?

Satan was bound/judged/cast out by Christ's earthly ministry, reversing satan's dominion over the People of God, granting power over all darkness to the saints, and immediately enabling the gospel to spread to all nations.
(John 12:31 and Matt 12:28-29, Heb 2:14-15 and 1 John 3:8).

Do you think Jesus was Just Kidding when He said:
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Not sure how you can come up with the notion that someone who has "all authority" is not ruling and reigning, and that some other entity is ruling and reigning instead?

Jesus Christ, not satan, is God and King over this present world right now (indeed over all of heaven and earth):

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19-23
He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

1 Peter 3:22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5-6
Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever.

Your challenge is to find even one scripture that testifies Satan (or anyone) is presently NOT subject to the Rule and reign of Jesus Christ today.

Just because the gospel is out there doesn't mean Christians are ruling the nations. For example certain people in this country are trying to wean this country away from our Heavenly Father/Christ. Many are offended at prayer, etc. And of course we know what happens to certain Christians in other countries and how are their deaths an example of "reigning" ruling their nations? I would say other's are in fact very much "ruling' them.

It saddens me to see so many Christians like you who have such a dim, defeatist view of the power of Gospel to make disciples of all nations in this age.

What a sad, pessimistic view that renders the Jesus and His Church impotent and powerless in the age of the everlasting Gospel where righteousness dwells, which Jesus Himself ushered into existence.

Contrary to the sad, sorry defeatism of premillennialists, scripture teaches us
we are to subdue kingdoms and establish righteousness as the Hebrews 11 heroes did:

Hebrews 11:6, 32-33
for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him...for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions

The Christian Church walks in this great heritage of unstoppable faith just like our Hebrews 11 brothers and sisters. We are in process of subduing kingdoms, establishing righteousness, and asserting Christ's dominion over all nations through the same faith of David, Samuel, Joshua, and Moses had.
Nothing can stop us (Matthew 16:18-19).

2 Corinthians 5:18-20
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as God did beseech you by us

So we can see that at this time God is reconciling all the world unto himself.

1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them [past tense]: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 John 2:13
ye have overcome the wicked one.

1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith

Compared to the state of the planet 2000 years ago, there is no question that both the moral sense and the covenantal reality of nations have been radically changed for the better by Christ and the Church. Here's a great quote from David Chilton about the progress of Christendom:

"Examples could be multiplied in every field. The whole rise of Western Civilization - science and technology, medicine, the arts, constitutionalism, the jury system, free enterprise, literacy, increasing productivity, a rising standard of living, the high status of women - is attributable to one major fact: the West has been transformed by Christianity. True, the transformation is not yet complete. There are many battles ahead. But the point is that, even in what is still largely an early Christian civilization, God has showered us with blessings." - David Chilton

Just look at how Christian post- and a-millennialists built this great country!

And, sadly, just look at how Christian pre-millennialists abandoned this country. Since the mid-1800s, C.I. Scofield and DL Moody and Hal Lindsey (and even you here Julie) have been teaching a message that America is doomed "according to the bible." They even taught that voting and participation in civil duties were pointless. Such "prophetic inevitibility" and doomsaying doesn't create kingdom-buliders like Moses or Paul or George Washington--it creates only visionless do-nothing Christians. Only kingdom-advancing views such as preterism, postmillennialism, and certain ranks of amillennialism will be able to save our country and empower Christians to build newer and more godly ones for the future. America wasn't built by dispensationalists, but it sure has been hurt by them. Their theology of defeat must be resisted and trumped by the victorious truth about Christ and the kingdom.

None of this speaks kindly for the cowardice, abandonment, and dereliction of duty dispensational pre-millennialists have taught to our country and the Church. Endtimes madness--like that which paralyzes most pre millennialists and prevents them from experiencing the victory of our faith--must be ended if America is to return to her great heritage. The heathens aren't supermen, they're just plain old pagans who believe there is a future, and that the future belongs to anyone with the courage to fight for it.

The constant fearful statements and despair that pre milennialists express about the world and their daily lives shows us that their doctrine that fuels such a "defeat mentality" is not based on FAITH, HOPE, and LOVE. Compare Joshua to the other spies who were afraid and gave a bad report about the land. That story is like post millennialists and and pre millennialists today. Pre Mil's are the spies who always fearfully say "there are giants in the land!" Post and A-Millennialists are the JOSHUAS who say "THE LAND IS OURS! LET'S TAKE IT. God has given the land to US!"

We must not be fooled by the cowardly Christians that say "b-b-but...there are giants in the land!

 

[parousia70]

What is sure, is that very soon dramatic and world changing events will happen.

It’s always “very soon”, isn’t it....?

Even secular people can see this. Covid 19 is a starter.

That’s what they said about AIDS...
And of course All Christians who were paying attention at the time KNEW that the 1918 influenza pandemic was a sign that the end days were upon them... then of course there was the great disappointment of 1844...

The one solid thing you can count on about Christian end time predictions is their unbroken streak of 100% failure

 

[Freedm]

Does Revelation tell us he is Destroyed, or does it tell us he is tormented forever and ever?

This is what I'm referring to:

Revelation 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Do you think this event is near?

 

[Freedm]

I think it all goes back to the word reign when discussing the 1000 years. To reign means to "rule". How are the elect Christians co reigning/ruling at this present time, the nations?

It does take a shift in thinking in regards to how we normally view a "reign" because as you pointed out, evil seems to be having its way with us sometimes. However, the scriptures are clear that Jesus currently reigns, and so if this reign does not align with our expectations then rather than ignore scripture we need to adjust our expectations.

Parousia highlighted some of the most telling verses that prove he currently reigns...

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19-23
He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

1 Peter 3:22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5-6
Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever.

And you could also add...

1 Corinthians 15:25
For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.

If you agree that having put all enemies under his feet means resurrection, then you have to also admit that he reigns prior to that resurrection, which is today.

Jesus has the power to destroy all evil, but he doesn't do it (at least not yet). We can speculate as to his reasons, but that doesn't take away from his reign which is so clearly articulated in scripture.

 

[Freedm]

It’s always “very soon”, isn’t it....?


That’s what they said about AIDS...
And of course All Christians who were paying attention at the time KNEW that the 1918 influenza pandemic was a sign that the end days were upon them... then of course there was the great disappointment of 1844...

The one solid thing you can count on about Christian end time predictions is their unbroken streak of 100% failure

Yes, all true, but have you ever wondered where God will draw the line? What will God allow us to do, to discover, to invent? How far will he allow us to go? What do you think will be the point in human history when God releases Satan for a short time before throwing him into the lake of fire, and what will the world look like just before we reach that point?

 

[parousia70]

This is what I'm referring to:

Revelation 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Do you think this event is near?

Well, The apostles sure believed and taught it was near for them, indeed John the revelator explicitly said that event "MUST shortly come to pass... for the time is near".

IF I were to think it is NEAR today, I would have to posit that the apostles were wrong in their own declarations of nearness of the event to them, and I am NOT about make any such claim of apostolic error. In fact, ANY belief or doctrine that, to be correct, must be built on the foundation of "apostolic error" ought be rejected by any honest bible expositor.

 

[keras]

So you base your 6,000 year theory on nothing more than essentially it is what makes sense to you? Or do you have actual things you can point to, to support your belief?

How can you say that?
Aren't Bible verses 'actual'?

where did you find this timetable chart ?

In the Bible. And known historical dates.
It took many hours, days, weeks; of careful Bible Study. It is the truth of God's perfect timings and our warning of imminent dramatic events.

I have posted it several times and it is in my logostelso.info website.
No one has refuted any of it, but it seems that God makes people incapable of understanding it. This is because they have chose to believe false theories and doctrines. Isaiah 29:9-12