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Featured Revelation 20:9 - Are we nearly there?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Freedm, Jan 24, 2021.

  1. Freedm

    Freedm Active Member

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    Revelation 20:7-9
    7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

    Obviously for anyone to believe we're almost there, they would have to believe that we're currently living in the millennium, which I realize many people do not, but even from those people I ask to consider what they believe this time will look like and contribute to the conversation on that level.

    I believe we're currently in the thousand years and I believe the thousand years started sometime in the first century AD. Not sure if it was at Jesus' resurrection, or the destruction of Jerusalem, but no matter. The point is, I believe that the next major event to happen on the prophetic timeline is the end of the thousand years, which is precipitated by the release of Satan. So what would this look like?

    I believe what I'm seeing in the world today looks very much like we're nearing the end of the thousand years and I'll explain why. Revelation 20:9 tells us that Satan will do three things.

    1. Deceive the nations
    2. Gather the nations for battle
    3. Surround the people of God
    I believe Satan would be released invisibly but that he would immediately set to work prepping the people to do his dirty work, and that would primarily involve deceiving people into believing that Christianity is evil, and then leveraging that belief into an outright attack on Christianity.

    Deception

    The deception that we're seeing now in the world is at a level I've not seen in my life time (I'm 49 years old). Just 12 months ago I felt that 9/11 was the greatest deception to ever be perpetrated on the general public, although the "climate emergency" talk was a close second in my mind. Today our governments and media lie to us every single day about everything and anything, we're told that there are no genders, that everybody is racist, that killing unborn babies is a "women's health right" and that demanding a fair election makes you guilty of "ripping up the constitution" and in need of "deprogramming". In the eyes of many today, truth is hateful and evil is righteous.

    Gathering

    The redefinition of gender, the erasing of lines between male and female, the fight for sexual immorality and the accusations of "hate speech", with its fluid definition, getting nearer and nearer to the teachings of our Bible and it's not hard to see where this is going. Public individuals are already calling for the Bible to be classified as hate speech, and how long will it be before elected politicians make it official? I just can't see this taking more than 5 or 10 years at most.

    Surrounding

    Clearly this "surrounding" would have to be a spiritual surrounding because Christians live all over the world so it can not be the surrounding of a single city. I imagine this to be the marginalization and indeed criminalization of Christianity, and this, seems very near indeed. Sweden is already jailing pastors for preaching that homosexuality is sinful, California has made it a criminal offense to criticize homosexuality in schools and Scotland's proposed new hate crime bill includes vague language that can easily be used to label the Bible as criminal.

    Now to get to the next step I think things would have to get much worse and the Bible would indeed have to be outright banned, and the attacking of Christians not only tolerated but encouraged, so I don't think we're there yet (at least not in western nations) but things seem to be progressing rapidly now so it may not be long.

    Other Signs

    Other signs that have me thinking we're nearing the end of the age revolve more around science, than faith or the current socio-political climate. The combining of human DNA with animal DNA; Scientists can essentially do it now though it's not widely done. will God allow it? Scientific discoveries, now that the god particle has been discovered and we start talking about time travel and other dimensions; how much will God allow us to discover about the universe? The alien agenda seems to be more and more accepted in the mainstream as if we're "almost ready" for disclosure; will the aliens have a part to play in the final deception?

    I personally would be very surprised if we're still here in 2040, and I would be somewhat surprised if we're still here in 2030. Yes, of course, I could be completely wrong (just as my mother was when she was certain that 1987 would be the "year of the rapture" because Hal Lindsey said so) and that's fine. I'm not making a prediction or anything like that. I'm just saying, based on what I'm seeing today, it seems unlikely to me that God will allow us to continue on our current trajectory for much longer.

    Is anybody else thinking along these same lines, or am I on an island here?
     
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  2. keras

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    Where we are at now, is how the world was in the antediluvian time.
    As Jesus said: It will be as in the days of Noah when the Son of Man comes.
    This 'coming' is not the Return in glory, as then He comes as the King Of Kings. It will be the sudden and shocking world changer of the Sixth Seal.
    I will send fire..... Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6

    It is impossible for us to be in the Millennium now. None of the prophesied things from Revelation 6:12 to Revelation 22, have happened yet.
     
  3. EJ M

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    Can anyone who believes the Satan is bound and unable to deceive the nations for a thousand years point to a single evidence?
    Satan was rabidly active in the first century and still is.
    I have never seen any evidence pointing to the Satan's inability to deceive the Nations in the last two millennia. In fact, he has been enormously successful, with the evidence of over forty thousand "Christian" denominations that won't fellowship with each other and countless wars still being fought.
    Deception everywhere.
    Please come soon Lord Jesus!
     
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    This is where many people misunderstood about the real purpose of the binding of Satan. Revelation 20 is NOT talking about keeping Satan away from the world so that there will be peace on Earth. Christ bound Satan at the Cross, so that he could not deceive the nations (heathens) from being saved by hearing the gospel through the church. Satan still roam through men and women who have not yet sealed or chosen by God, le aving the ones to be spoiled by Christ. Once Christ has finished building his church, he will loosened Satan for the purprose to judge His unfaithful church prior to Second COming. Nothing is prophesied about the so called futre 1,000 literal kingdom with throne over there in the Middle East.
     
  5. Timtofly

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    Since most do not think Satan is literally bound, we are figuratively no where in this 1000 years.
     
  6. Jeshu

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    i think it is far more useful to follow the spiritual process spiritually to understand the end times rightly. When a person throws of the yoke of God off - the ten commandments - as has now happened in this world - then the falling away happens where the person who rejected Christ becomes more and more godless and does away with those who warn or stand in his way. Burning up his good life to his idols and extolling himself as god he prepares the way to the desolation that awaits him. When good life runs out! This will happen in increasing measure over the years that follow someone who rejected Jesus as Saviour.

    So understand that this is the time that the abomination that causes desolation is set up. Christians will persecuted like never before. The desolation will follow in its trail - only those who have put their trust and treasure in Jesus and His Kingdom will be spared the desolation that is to follow the persecution of God's own.

    The coming of Jesus will cut the son of lawlessness down. That is when Revelation chapter 1 will come into play and chapter 1-3 will begin for the God's Children and the gathering of the wicked will begin for Jesus' discipline on the His own will leave the world staring on in utter wonder.

    So no the Kingdom of Christ is what i await. Revelation 20 is still some time of as far as i'm concerned.

    Peace.
     
  7. Freedm

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    Let me make sure I understand what you're saying here. Since most do not think Satan is bound, therefore we can't be currently in the thousand years? Is that your logic?
     
  8. Freedm

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    For the purposes of this thread, it's o.k. if we disagree on whether we're nearing the beginning of the thousand years, or the end. Either way, we're nearing a return of Jesus, on that I think we can agree. So with that in mind, do you see what I'm seeing in terms of the next 10 to 20 years? Is the end of the age indeed near?
     
  9. Freedm

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    The continual growth of the kingdom of Christ is the evidence of Satan's binding, as his binding serves this purpose.
     
  10. Freedm

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    Do you see, in our current world events, the nearing of the end of this age? How much time do you think we have?
     
  11. Jeshu

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    This i cannot answer for i don't know how long Babylon still has to rule over the nations before her destruction. As i see it Babylon is only just getting into full power have deceived the nations to follow her merchandise (magic potions,) she may rule for another seventy years or more yet. So no i don't speculate on what has not yet been revealed. We are not currently nearing the Armageddon battle between good and bad as far as i can read the signs of the time. Though it is heating up.

    The division of the sheep and goats is happening even as we speak.

    The great numbering is next on the agenda i reckon.

    We await the destruction of Babylon before the great hallelujah shall ring. Seeing the merchants of the world exercising more and more control does not speak about her immanent destruction yet, i seems to me.

    Peace
     
  12. Timtofly

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    Figuratively bound is not literally bound, correct? I would say we are no where in this figurative time frame, if that statement is correct. If Satan is just being loosed figuratively, why even claim 1000 years at all? Why not just say Satan is loosed before x happens?
     
  13. keras

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    Yes I do know that we have at the most 20 years until Jesus Returns and much must happen before that glorious Day. All the prophesies from Revelation 6:12 yo Revelation 19:11

    The reason this is sure, is the exact time periods for 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, then 2000 years from Abraham to Jesus, and now 1990 +/- a few years to the Return.
    Then comes the 1000 year reign of King Jesus, to wrap up the exact 7000 year Plan of God for mankind.
     
  14. Hazelelponi

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    It's very easy to think we are close.

    I do think we have to temper that with what people thought during the bubonic plague (1/4 of earth's population died), what they thought during myriad wars (WW1 and WW2) and more.

    People have long thought the horrific situation they were facing was going to usher in Christ's return.

    As a result we can't say definitively that this means the end is near, but it does appear that way, at any rate. Just like always, we should take care that all the decisions we make are Biblically correct, and we should cling to Christ during our hour of tribulation... always.

    What matters is that we've stood on the solid foundation through it all. When we do that, nothing else matters.
     
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    What Power do you say Satan has today?

    Can he prevent anyone, much less entire nations, from Choosing Salvation in Christ?

    In order to prove Satan is able to deceive entire nations today, you'll need to Name one nation today that you can PROVE does not have at least one Christian.

    Can you?

    Satan was bound/judged/cast out by Christ's ministry, reversing satan's dominion over the People of God, granting power over all darkness to the saints, and immediately enabling the gospel to spread to all nations.
    (John 12:31 and Matthew 12:28-29, Hebrews 2:14-15 and 1 John 3:8).

    We know satan is bound from deceiving the nations anymore because the nations got accepted into God's covenant as co-heirs with the obedient jewish followers of Christ, back in the first century (Eph 3:3-7; Eph 2:13-19; Acts 26:17-18). This was a massive change in redemptive history, from the period where ONLY ONE nation was in covenant relationship with Jehovah, and the rest were Deceived.

    When you say soon, do you mean in like another 2000 years?
    I can never tell with futurists... since you guys always claim "soon" = "thousands of years away"...
     
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  16. Freedm

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    I'm also curious about this concept of 6,000 years. I'm not 100% convinced of it but it makes a lot of sense to me, though we still disagree on what comes after the 6,000 years but that's neither here nor there. Do you have any interesting references that you can share to support this concept of a 6,000 year limit?
     
  17. Freedm

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    Yes, there've been horrible times in the past that people have taken as "signs of the end" but I recognize that there have always been bad times and so I ignore those but see other signs which lead me to think we're close. Not only deception, but technology and understanding. How far would God allow us to go, I've always wondered.
     
  18. keras

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    7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

    Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970.5 BCE subtracted back from 586 BCE, from:
    Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BCE

    Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4
    Total years so far = 2000

    Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8
    Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BCE.
    [Many ancient records say Comet Typhon passed close the earth at that time. It was the cause of many of the disasters in Egypt.]

    1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:33 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18-20 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year of 586 BCE.

    Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

    586 BCE + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5 CE, the date of Jesus’ baptism. Luke 3:1 Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.

    3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.


    Jan 2020 CE - 29.5 CE = 1990.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.

    1990.5 + 4000 = 5990.5 years, is where we are now. 5990.5 + 9.5 = 6000 years

    2020 CE + 9.5 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age.
    4000 since Abraham, 6000 since Adam. Next comes the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

    7000 years is God’s decreed time for mankind.
    Those who have been found worthy will go into Eternity with God. Revelation 22:1-5
     
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  19. claninja

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    Another prediction Keras? How many of your predictions have failed so far , requiring you to move the goal posts again?
     
  20. Freedm

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    I wouldn't really classify this as a prediction, as much as a calculation and assumption. The calculation is the number of years since Adam, which I find extremely interesting, but the assumption is that the 6000 year mark is significant. I think it might be, but we won't know until we get there.

    What do you think? Do you think the 6,000 year mark might be significant?
     
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