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Featured Revelation 12: what do the 3.5 years represent?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by claninja, Sep 20, 2018.

  1. mkgal1

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    That's a good way of clarifying (people and their FAITH).
     
  2. claninja

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    When did the gospel go to the gentiles? was it right away after Jesus ascended? No, it was after Stephen was stoned (which was 3.5 years)

    Stephen was stoned in 34 AD and that is when there was a great persecution of the Church (which is true Israel). Stephen was stoned 3.5 years after Christ ascended

    Maybe you could provide scripture specifically in Acts 1-8 (period of 3.5 years), where the Gospel was preached outside of the Jews, to the gentiles?

    I agree with you here. True Israel and the Church are not separate. They are the same. Believers being grafted in, and those who reject Christ being cut out.

    You do not have to agree. But it would help your case to provide where, from Acts 1 til Acts 8 (about 3.5 years) where the gospel was preached outside of the Jews, to gentiles.

    We should always use scripture to interpret scripture. Where does scripture tell us 1,260 days is symbolic for the entire church age? Is there an OT passage that states this?
     
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  3. TribulationSigns

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    Bingo!
     
  4. iamlamad

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    Hmmm. Is this the spirit that at the end of the 7 years will attempt to wipe physical Israel off the maps forever?
     
  5. One Son

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    Rev.12:7(ASV) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels going forth to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels; 8And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    9And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

    10And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night. 11And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death.


    Lk.10:17(ASV) And the seventy returned with joy, saying, Lord, even the demons are subject unto us in thy name.
    18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.
    19Behold, I have given you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall in any wise hurt you.
    20Nevertheless in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.(Rev.21:14)*.

    I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.

    *Rev.21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

    on them twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

    Jn.12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice hath not come for my sake, but for your sakes. 31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
    32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself.

    now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    Jn.16:10 of righteousness, because I go to the Father, and ye behold me no more;
    11 of judgment, because the prince of this world hath been judged.

    the prince of this world hath been judged.

    This all happened before Jesus was crucified.



    Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. (2Cor.5:17)
     
  6. Dave L

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    By AD 40, although thousands had believed the gospel, the converts were virtually all Jews. However, this was about to change. A God-fearing Caesarean Gentile named Cornelius received a message from God to call Peter to his house. Meanwhile, Peter had received a vision from God in which he was commanded to eat animals that were unclean according to the law of Moses. As Peter awoke from his vision and was pondering its meaning, three messengers arrived. The next day, Peter traveled with the men to meet Cornelius. As Peter proclaimed the gospel to Cornelius and his family, he realized the meaning of his vision: God was calling both Jews and Gentiles to Christ. Cornelius and all those who heard and believed received the Holy Spirit and were baptized (Acts 10:1–48).

    Rusten, S. with E. Michael. (2005). The complete book of when & where in the Bible and throughout history (p. 80). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.
     
  7. DaDad

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    The BEST resource I've found is:
    New Testament Chronology, By Kenneth Frank Doig.
    New Testament Chronology - Exact Dating of the Birth and Crucifixion of Jesus

    From everything I can see, his work is impeccable, -- particularly regrding the birth date of Jesus and the duration of HIS ministry. It's extremely well done, and much of it contradicts the inaccurate commentator versions. -- Highly Recommended.

    Thanks,
    DaDad
     
  8. iamlamad

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    I agree that 12:1-5 comes before 12:6, and the order is correct, but the truth is, verses 1-5 are a parenthesis and not in John's chronology: the chapter is at the midpoint of the week in timing, and 12:6 is perhaps a second or two after the abomination that caused them to begin fleeing. The war in heaven will start as soon as Michael hears the 7th trumpet and begins the war.
     
  9. iamlamad

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    If you are trying to show that the war in heaven in Rev. 12 is the same as "Satan falling as lightning from heaven" in Luke, you are miles off from what Scripture is saying. The reason Satan was seen falling from heaven [IN CONTEXT] is that the 70 was sent out and now 70 people were destroying Satan's kingdom by casting out demons. It was bad enough when Jesus was doing it, and then the 12, but now 70? Satan had to see it for himself! At this time Satan is the god of the world.

    The war in heaven is when Satan LOSES as God of this world, and the world is given to Jesus Christ. Adam's lease has expired (at the midpoint of the week) and suddenly Satan as no more legal hold to the world.

    This all happened before Jesus was crucified. WRONG! The war in heaven shown in Rev. 12 is still future to us today, and Satan is still the god of this world.
     
  10. claninja

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    I would argue revelation 12:7-12 are the parenthesis.

    I disagree, Jesus associates satan being cast out with his ascension.
    John 12:31-32 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out and I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

    Jesus associates satan coming when goes to the Father.
    John 14:28-30 because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it does take place you may believe. I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming.
     
  11. iamlamad

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    You just don't believe John's chronology: the exact midpoint is in chapter 11 (at the 7th trumpet) and 12:6 is a second or two later. The SIGNAL for the war in heaven will be the 7th trumpet, so the war will be right after the midpoint - how ever long it takes Michael to get to Satan.

    Jesus "now" in John 12 is a little different that our "now." His "now" will be the 70th week when judgment finally takes place. But legally, the 70th week will become possible because Jesus is going to the cross to die, and then be raised from the dead.
    WHEN is Satan "cast out? At the midpoint of the future 70th week. But Jesus' point is this: if He does not die and be resurrected, then NO ONE will ever be found worthy to break the seals and get the book opened so that the 7th trumpet will come - that will spell Satan's end as the god of this world. Jesus admits that Satan is the current ruler of the world. The ruler of the world DID come, and put Jesus on the cross.
     
  12. Choose Wisely

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    You really are having quite a time understanding endtimes. As I have shown you before............

    The abomination of desolation happens at the end of the week...........see the following verses.


    Daniel 9
    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Daniel 12
    11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    The war in heaven does not start at the 7th trumpet like you claim.

    Rev 12

    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    We can see the event, Satan and his angels cast to earth, of Rev 12 in Rev 6 with the stars falling from heaven. These events occur after the tribulation, as proven in Matt 24.

    Rev 6
    12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

    Again..........we can see,Revelation is not in order.
     
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  13. eleos1954

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    Based on the year/day principle:

    Numbers 14:34 - The Israelites will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan.
    Ezekiel 4:5-6 -
    5For I have assigned you the years of their iniquity according to the number of days you lie down, 390 days; so you will bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
    6When you have completed these days, lie down again, but on your right side, and bear the iniquity of the house of Judah. I have assigned to you 40 days, a day for each year.
    Daniel 9:24-27
    24Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

    25Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah,e the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of distress.

    26Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed.

    27And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.”

    The 42 Months

    This same period of persecution is found in the following verses-

    Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    Again as in Rev 12, we have a strong relationship between this 42 months of verse 2 and the 1260 days of Rev 11: 3. Forty two months calculates as 42 x 30 (30 days in a lunar month) which equals 1260 days/years. This verse is saying that the Gentiles or unbelievers would trample the people of God (the holy city) for 1260 years. Again this same time period of 42 months is found in Revelation 13-
    Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
    Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
    Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    This passage speaks of the great and terrible beast from the sea, which actually is the same as the little horn of Daniel, which is to say the AntiChrist power that would persecute the people of God for 1260 years.
    So, here is a complete listing of the passages that deal with the same 1260 year time period of persecution-

    • 3 1/2 Times - Rev 12:14, Dan 7:25, Dan 12:7
    • 1260 days - Rev 11:3, Rev 12:6
    • 42 Months - Rev 11:2, Rev 13:5
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  14. iamlamad

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    If you mean, am I enjoying myself? As a matter of fact, I am! ;-)

    The abomination of desolation happens at the end of the week
    No it doesn't!

    in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
    The abomination happens in the MIDST of the week, not at the end!

    What stops the daily sacrifices? Paul tells us: the man of sin will enter the holy of holies and declare HE is God. The daily sacrifices will stop right then. Daniel surely know the Hebrew word translated "midst" means to divide in half!


    As for Daniel 12:11, it seems you do not understand that verse either! This is not a "from / to" statement! The from is understood to be verse 1 when the days of GT begin. In other words, from the midpoint of the week. Daniel was told the first time: the end (finish) will be in 3 1/2 years (1260 days) from that midpoint to the end of the wonders.

    But then the answer came again that added another 30 days - but this is to another event, NOT the end, but PAST the end. It is speaking of an event 30 days after the 7th vial that ends the week. The answer still stands, and John confirms it 5 more times: the second half of the week will be 1260 days, or 42 months, or 3 1/2 years: take your pick.

    The war in heaven does not start at the 7th trumpet like you claim.
    You can use your imagination if you choose, and imagine something that is not written. That is between you and God. I go by what is written.

    The truth is, Michael has been waiting a long time to hear that 7th trumpet, for that will be His signal to go after Satan and cast him down! Why would you imagine something different than what is written?

    Satan and his angels cast to earth, of Rev 12 in Rev 6 with the stars falling from heaven. You are imagining that the "stars" of chapter 6 equates to the angels in chapter 12. You are mistaken. What you suggest is simply IMPOSSIBLE!

    How many times will I explain this? The seals are sealing a book, so that it cannot be opened until the Redeemer comes. Once ALL SEVEN of the seals are opened, THEN, and only then can the book be opened - to reveal the trumpet judgments and to reveal chapter 12 and the war in the heavenlies. It is a simple truth: that war in the heavens CANNOT come until the 7th trumpet sounds - and the 7th trumpet cannot sound until the first 6 trumpets sound - and the first six CANNOT sound until the 7th seal is opened so that the book can be opened.

    You are imagining that the book can be opened to reveal chapter 12 before all the seals are opened! Sorry, but it won't work. Your imagination is running wild, without common sense. Get this straight once and for all: NOTHING in chapter 8 (after the 7th seal is opened) on to the end of Revelation can possible happen UNTIL the 7th seal is opened so that the BOOK can be opened.

    Therefore to imagine that something in chapter 12 actually happens at the 6th seal is simply not understanding the book. You are very mistaken. Worse, you think you have it right. If you were only guessing and guessed wrong, that would be one thing - but you are sure you have it right - when you are very wrong.

    Again..........we can see, Revelation is not in order.
    I can see you have very little understanding of Revelation! What you are suggesting is impossible. We really don't know what the stars are at the 6th seal that fall. It could be a meteor shower! We don't know what it means for the sky to be rolled up as a scroll - John did not tell us.

    If this is your best proof that revelation is not in order, I suggest you throw your entire theory into the trash and start over - this time forming a theory from Revelation as it is written!

    Axiom on Revelation:
    ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology will be proven wrong!

    Write it down! Make it plain in tablets so you can run with it! It is TRUTH!

    These events occur after the tribulation, as proven in Matt 24.
    No, they DON'T! It is your imagination again! The truth is, you don't believe Matthew 14 as written, so in your imagination change it. You imagine Matthew's cosmic signs to be the same as Joel 2 and the 6th seal, but you are mistaken. And this one mistake has thrown your entire end-time scenario off.

    What DOES come after the days of tribulation? The sun AND MOON will turn dark. There will be darkness around the planet. No one will be able to see the moon. And then Jesus will return. This is NOT the sign for the start of the DAY!

    On the other hand, for the Joel 2 sign, also seen at the 6th seal, people will SEE a blood red moon, and it will be the sign for the start of the DAY.

    Once again your "proof" has disintegrated into falsehoods. Why do you put more weight on Matthew than on John in Revelation? BOTH are the word of God. Matthew 24 does not outweigh Revelation. BOTH are true. The correct theory of End times must fit with both Matthew 24 as written and with Revelation as written. You imagine you have to rewrite Revelation to fit your theory of Matthew 24. You are caught.
     
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  15. iamlamad

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    Your imagination is running wild!
    This verse is saying that the Gentiles or unbelievers would trample the people of God (the holy city) for 1260 years. Again this same time period of 42 months is found in Revelation 13-

    This is imagination, not truth. You just proved that 42 months equal 1260 days. that is, DAYS not years! If we multiply a week of years, or 7 years by 360 we get: 2520 days. If we divide that by two (the week is divided into two halves) we get two periods of 1260 days - EXACTLY what John shows us in Revelation.

    It is a mistaken then to imagine the 1260 to be years, when GOD was thinking days.

    It is a mistake to imagine history when God is thinking future.
     
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    Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
    Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

    Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
    Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

    Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
    Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

    Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
    Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

    Christ opened the seals about 2,000 years ago and let John see future events.
    John wrote down what he saw in the Book of Revelation.


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    Mat 2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
    Mat 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
    Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
    Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod:
    that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.


    Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
    Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
    Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

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  18. Choose Wisely

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    You are correct and I am wrong. Here is the proof.

    Daniel 12
    11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    I was reading the above scripture as from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, UNTIL the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Here is the scripture that proves I am wrong.


    Daniel 11
    31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


    So the daily sacrifice is taken away at the same time the abomination of desolation is set up. I made the exact same mistake a few years ago and forgot. For you it means that I can't say your timeline doesn't work. For me it means that the 70th week is not over when the tribulation is over.


    He is cast down at the 6th seal........the end of the tribulation. Then the wrath of God begins. Since you don't understand the order of the books of Revelation no way you see. The seventh trumpet event brings judgement for the dead, rewards for the prophets and saints, and them that fear his name........and destruction of them that destroy the earth. Gee, if anyone was paying attention they might conclude that it is the coming of Jesus shown in Rev 19. But gosh, whose paying any attention.
    Rev 11
    18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    So you say that it is a sealing book and that the book can't be opened UNTIL ALL SEVEN of the seals are opened. He we see, in scripture, showing that you are wrong. We see in the verses below that the book is opened........and then the seals are opened. The book has seven sealed sections in the book. You are saying that there is a book that is sealed with 7 seals that can't be opened until all the seals opened.

    Rev 5
    1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
    2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
    3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
    4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
    5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

    You just keep making things up that you have no scriptural support for. Satan is cast down at the end of the tribulation..........the sixth seal. The seventh seal has not even opened........let alone the 7th trumpet.
    You say all 7 seals must be opened before the book can be opened. Scripture says that the book is opened and then the seals.

    There is plenty of proof that Revelation is not in order.
    I had a vision I saw a car. It was blue. I had another vision, I saw a car and the lights were on.

    Hello.........there is a possibility it is the same car. And if you look at the details there are proofs that it is. And so it is with the books of Revelation. Some visions are just another view of the same thing.

    You calling it truth.....doesn't make it so.
    These events occur after the tribulation, as proven in Matt 24.
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    I can see you and your friend heading off into the woods at night. You grab a flashlight and turn it on and start out. Your friend says hey that flashlight doesn't work........it's been sitting in red paint and looks like blood. Sure it works, you exclaim, I can see it. Hey note to iamlamad. Just because you can see the blood colored flashlight does not mean it is giving it's light.
    Everything lines up perfectly in Rev 6 and Matt 24. Sun......moon.......stars falling.........heavens shaken(BECAUSE THERE IS WAR IN HEAVEN.......ANOTHER PROOF)........And the Christ returns. ALL LINES UP PERFECTLY.

    Caught being right..LOL...........Matt 24 and Rev 6 line up perfectly. They are the gathering as spoken of by Paul. No one is coming on white horses in Matt 24.
     
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  19. Douggg

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    Not fallen from heaven, but fallen "as" lightning from heaven. It is in similitude.
     
  20. Douggg

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    CW, the trumpets are presentation signals of what John sees - once the seventh seal was opened by Jesus when John found himself in heaven. I don't know that I am able to communicate, the concept of "presentation signals" that well - it just an arbitrary pair of words I am using.

    Anyway, the first six seals give the course of the 7 years, ending with the sixth seal at Jesus's appearing in heaven right before He descends down to earth.

    Next we get to the seventh seal. And moving forward in the chapters to a critical turning point in Revelation....

    The seventh trumpet - signals the time is up, the destruction of Satan and his angels' kingdom of mystery Babylon the Great has come. Which is turn with God dismantling Satan's kingdom, it will be time for the judgment of the dead forthcoming, including rewards for the prophets and saint, and them who fear God's name.

    The seventh trumpet presentation signal - where the events it presents are on the 7 year timeline, it sounds right after day 1263.5.

    The war in heaven ensues, immediately following day 1263.5 and the 7th trumpet sounding. Some earth time passes as the war in the second heaven takes place. Satan and his angels come crashing down to earth, Babylon has fallen, has fallen. They have a time times half time left.

    In Daniel 12:1 is the old testament notice of the same war, Michael stands up for Israel. The time left for Israel to endure, as God dismantles Satan's kingdom, in Daniel 12:7 is the same time times half time.

    Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

    Look at what I highlighted above in blue. Now, let's look at the angel in Revelation 10.....

    5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

    6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

    7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    The mystery of God is the how the Kingdom of God will be brought to earth, deposing Satan's kingdom of mystery Babylon the Great. And the Kingdom of God on the earth over all kingdoms, forever and ever.

    So it is during that time times half time that God will be taking the kingdoms of the world away from Satan's control and power. That's what the 7th trumpet signals - the time has come, time no more.
     
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