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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by W2L, Dec 6, 2018 at 11:40 AM.

  1. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

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    This scripture below says that the scroll tasted sweet but was bitter in the stomach. What are your thoughts on this? Thank you.


    Revelation 10:9 So I went to the angel, telling him to give me the little book. And he *said to me, “Take it and eat it; it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.” 10 I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and in my mouth it was sweet as honey; and when I had eaten it, my stomach was made bitter..
     
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  2. Monk Brendan

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    There is something the reverse of this in one of the major OT prophets, but I don't know exactly where.
     
  3. W2L

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    Thank you. Maybe someone will post it.
     
  4. vinsight4u

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    The sayings in the little book are prophecy. They are both good and bad prophecy events. such as - the full vials - bad -
    New Jerusalem -sweet - good
    These sayings make up chapters 16-22.
    These were so John could prophesy again. The mystery of God part ends with the 7th trumpet, but later John wrote out the details of the visions that came from the little book that he ate.
     
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  5. W2L

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    Thank you.
     
  6. Tree of Life

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    The oracles of God contain both bitter and sweet things. The bitter things are threats of judgment and the sweet things are promises of salvation.
     
  7. W2L

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    Thank you.
     
  8. bcbsr

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    This kind of expression is used elsewhere

    Jer 15:16 When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heart’s delight, for I bear your name, O LORD God Almighty.

    The gospel is sweet to believers, but in the end there's also the bitterness of eternal condemnation at hand for those who never came to faith, which may include family and loved ones.
     
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  9. Ken Rank

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    Sometimes the truth isn't what we want to hear... so where it might taste sweet at the outset, the inner reality can be hard. What if... and please, this is just an example and not meant to create debate... but what if you were raised to look toward a rapture Christians are not here at the time of trouble. But then, you read the Word of God and it is sweet, but at some point your lens changes enough that you can see the fullness of what you read and you find out you will be here during the time of trouble. That would be a bitter reality, right?
     
  10. W2L

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    Yes i looked at a few cross references and that verse was one of them. In the Psalms the author says that Gods word is sweeter than honey (Psalms 119:103, Psalms 19:10)
     
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  11. W2L

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    Thank you. Yes that would be bitter.
     
  12. mark kennedy

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    Well obviously the Revelation has predictions of terrible persecution and devastating judgments, that's the bitter part. There is also this:

    The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever." (Rev. 11:5)​
     
  13. W2L

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    Thank you, This is probably wrong, but i keep thinking that this bitter sweet revelation might refer to what goes on inside ourselves. The word is alive and sharper than a double edged sword. I know this is wild speculation but i cant shake the thought.

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
     
  14. Hank77

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    Eze 2:8 But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
    Eze 2:9 And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;
    .......
    Eze 3:1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
    Eze 3:2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
    Eze 3:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.
    Eze 3:4 And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.
    ...
    Eze 3:7 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.
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    Eze 3:14 So the spirit lifted me up, and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; but the hand of the LORD was strong upon me.


    Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!


    The sweet and the bitter.
     
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  15. W2L

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    Thank you.
     
  16. ewq1938

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    It means it was easy (sweet) to taste/read but hard (bitter) to digest/understand.
     
  17. W2L

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    Thank you for the reply.
     
  18. mark kennedy

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    Well that's a facet of the same basic principle, it tastes good but digesting it is tough
     
  19. liberty of conscience

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    My thoughts are not relevant. Scripture defines scripture (Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20; Isaiah 28:10-13, etc).

    The "little book" then "open" (Revelation 10:2) is the specific 'portion' of the Greatest time prophecy 2,300 day/years; ending AD 1844) in the Bible (Daniel 8:13-14,26; 12:9) which had been "sealed" until a specific "time" (Revelation 10:6).

    The "angel" (messenger) is Jesus Christ Himself. See Revelation 10:1 and the symbols therein used, "clothed with a cloud" (as in the OT, Exodus), "rainbow was upon his head" (OT, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc); "face as it were the sun" (OT, Malachi); and "feet as pillars of fire" (OT, Exodus)

    It is the same Personage as in Daniel 8:13 ("certain saint"), 10:4-9, 12:1,7. See also Ezekiel 1 & 10.

    Then read of similar events in Ezekiel:

    Eze 2:7 And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.
    Eze 2:8 But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
    Eze 2:9 And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;
    Eze 2:10 And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.

    Eze 3:1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
    Eze 3:2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
    Eze 3:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.
    Eze 3:4 And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.
    Eze 3:5 For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an hard language, but to the house of Israel;
    Eze 3:6 Not to many people of a strange speech and of an hard language, whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they would have hearkened unto thee.
    Eze 3:7 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.
    Eze 3:8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.
    Eze 3:9 As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.
    Eze 3:10 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears.
    Eze 3:11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.

    Eze 3:27 But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house.

    The "eat" involves taking into the mind/heart the word of God and 'digesting it'. The 'sweet' is the Gospel, and the 2nd Coming of Christ Jesus.

    Exo_15:25 And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

    Psa_104:34 My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD.

    Psa_119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

    Psa_141:6 When their judges are overthrown in stony places, they shall hear my words; for they are sweet.

    Pro_16:24 Pleasant words are as an honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.

    etc.

    The "sweet" was the understannding of the latter half (portion) of the specific 2,300 day/year prophecy of Daniel and the times foretold.

    The "bitter" came after the preaching in the experience, just as the apostles expected a "sweet" experience with Christ Jesus and His triumphal entry in to Jerusalem, but it soon turned bitter, and they were disappointed, and so likewise in our times, similar events took place at the end of the "time", which was a test to God's own people.

    Thus "in thy mouth" the preachment was sweet, but it did not bring the results expected (humanly speaking).

    Jer_6:26 O daughter of my people, gird thee with sackcloth, and wallow thyself in ashes: make thee mourning, as for an only son, most bitter lamentation: for the spoiler shall suddenly come upon us.

    The people expected Christ to come, but they did not have full understanding of the prophecies, and this was foretold in the 7 thunders (connected with the voice of God, and events), of which God told John not to reveal (though he understoood), for the people that were to receive this message, were to be tested and winnowed, as it was in the days of Jesus on earth. The chaff were to be blown away and a great shaking take place.

    Yet, they were to prophesy again, just as the Apostles then did in Acts.

    Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

    This is fulfilled in the following preaching:

    Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
    Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
    Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
    Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Revelation 14:13, being directly connected to Daniel 12:2,11-13. "Blessed" (and the special resurrection to come).



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  20. vinsight4u

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    The warnings at the end part of Revelation is as to the sayings in the little book that John ate. He was told not to seal those sayings. It meant that he was not to jumble the various visions out of order like he had to do for the mystery of God section.
    seal not the sayings of this book -
    for -as in the reason
    the time was then at hand
    John lived in the time of the 6th king.

    the plagues -written in this book
    /not the trumpets/ plagues, but the full vials
    The trumpets sounded during the mystery of God section.
    the holy city - in this book
    /Revelation as to New Jerusalem.
    the regular holy city -on earth - was told about in the mystery of
    God section
     
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