• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. The forums in the Christian Congregations category are now open only to Christian members. Please review our current Faith Groups list for information on which faith groups are considered to be Christian faiths. Christian members please remember to read the Statement of Purpose threads for each forum within Christian Congregations before posting in the forum.

Rev 6:2 Rider on the white horse

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Partaker of Christ, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. Partaker of Christ

    Partaker of Christ Newbie

    355
    +30
    Christian
    Married
    The question asked on another forum (that I have been banned from)

    Who is the rider on the white horse in Rev 6?
    Is it Christ or antichrist?

    Personally I don’t think it is either, neither do I think it is important to know, or John would have said.

    That aside, I certainly do not believe it is Christ, and I will give my biggest reason for saying that.

    NASB:
    Rev 6:1 Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, "Come."
    Rev 6:2 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

    The best text have the living creatures saying "Come." (or "Go") Not "Come and see." as in some translations.
    Why would a living creature command John, with a 'voice of thunder' to come and see?

    I think it is important because, I believe that the living creatures are commanding the horse and horsemen to "Come." (or "Go"), and not commanding John to "Come and see."

    If what I believe is correct, then it would be wrong for one of the living creatures, to be giving Christ a command to do anything (Come or Go) especially with a 'voice of thunder'
     
    We teamed up with Faith Counseling. Can they help you today?
  2. ebedmelech

    ebedmelech My dog Micah in the pic Supporter

    +527
    Non-Denom
    Married
    US-Constitution
    Well...It is Christ in my view.

    This is Christ reigning through His church from heaven. I believe that because:

    *The white horse is the symbol of purity and power.

    *The rider wears a crown...Jesus was crowned with glory and honor

    *The bow is the symbol of how God uses arrows symbolically...like in Psalm 45:3-5
    3 Gird Your sword on Your thigh, O Mighty One, In Your splendor and Your majesty!
    4 And in Your majesty ride on victoriously, For the cause of truth and meekness and righteousness; Let Your right hand teach You awesome things.
    5 Your arrows are sharp; The peoples fall under You; Your arrows are in the heart of the King’s enemies.


    I think the White horse rider is Christ reigning from heaven through the church. In Christ it is said in the scriptures that "we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us"
     
  3. Partaker of Christ

    Partaker of Christ Newbie

    355
    +30
    Christian
    Married
    The rider of the white horse did not have any arrows.

    So, do you believe that the living creatures have authority to command Christ with a voice of thunder to "Come" or "Go"?

    Mat 8:9 "For I also am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, 'Go!' and he goes, and to another, 'Come!' and he comes, and to my slave, 'Do this!' and he does it."

    Is Christ under the authority of the living creatures?
     
  4. Ebed

    Ebed Member

    123
    +4
    Messianic
    Private
    Revelation 6:1-2 tells us that a rider on a white horse appears going “forth conquering, and to conquer” after Messiah Yeshua opens the first seal.

    And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a PRIZE was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Rev 6:1-2

    Then, Revelation 6:3 tells us that Messiah Yeshua then opens the second seal:

    And when He had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. Rev 6:3-4

    It does not make any sense that Messiah Yeshua is the rider of the white horse in Revelation 6:2 when you consider the context is a continuation from the events of Chapter 5, Who is Worthy, The Lamb is Worty

    Messiah Yeshua/The Lamb is in Heaven opening the seals how could He also be the rider of the white horse in the first seal?

    Yeshua rides the White Horse in Rev 19:11, not to conquer as the first white horse rider is attempting to do, He comes as a Man of War to Judge the Nations coming against Jerusalem. Zech 14:3

    It has been proven from the context, systematically chronologically emphatically so as to erase any doubt, knowing now for certain that Yeshua can not be the rider on the white horse in Rev 6:2

    All His Enemies have not been made His Footstool. Have They ?- Hebrews 10:13, the seventh trumpet has not Sounded, when the kingdoms of this world shall become the Kingdoms of our Adonai Yeshua haMashiyach Amen and Amen - Come Quickly in that Day Baruch Haba B'Shem YAHUWAH
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2013
  5. ebedmelech

    ebedmelech My dog Micah in the pic Supporter

    +527
    Non-Denom
    Married
    US-Constitution
    You're missing what's going on. Christ is breaking the seals, the four living creatures are in heaven.

    John hears one of the four living creatures say to him "come". They're not speaking to Jesus.

    Each time Jesus opens a seal, one off the living creatures speak to John, they're showing John what each seal means.

    It is already assumed if the rider has a bow, he has arrows.
     
  6. Choose Wisely

    Choose Wisely Forgiven Supporter

    +817
    Non-Denom
    Single
    US-Others
    The rider is certainly not Christ. The rider is the prince spoken of in Daniel. The seventh King........but not the eighth.
     
  7. ebedmelech

    ebedmelech My dog Micah in the pic Supporter

    +527
    Non-Denom
    Married
    US-Constitution
    Nothing associates that rider to anything in Daniel.

    The rider is Christ in His first coming where He conquered sin and death. All one has to do is realize God never uses the color white with deception in the scriptures. White always represents purity...ALWAYS!

    It is not antichrist.
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2013
  8. Choose Wisely

    Choose Wisely Forgiven Supporter

    +817
    Non-Denom
    Single
    US-Others
    I didn't say antichrist, I said the prince in Daniel, the seventh king.

    The Bible shows there is a difference between sheep and goats and yet what are wolves in sheeps clothes.

    Who is the lamb with 2 horns
     
  9. Ebed

    Ebed Member

    123
    +4
    Messianic
    Private
    Lev 13:3 And the priest shall look on the plague in the skin of the flesh: and the hair in the plague is turned white, and the plague in sight deeper than the skin of his flesh, it is a plague of leprosy: and the priest shall look on him, and pronounce him unclean


    4 And if the bright spot is white in the skin of his flesh, and its appearance is not deeper than the skin, and its hair has not turned white, then hath the priest shut up the plague seven days.

    White hair = Unclean vs 3

    White Does Not Always represent Purity
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2013
  10. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

    +15,245
    United States
    Lutheran
    In Relationship
    US-Others
    I'm not sure why when we read the vision of the four horsemen we are always fine with understanding the last three as symbolic embodiments of abstract concepts (war, famine, death), but then take the first as needing to be an actual, literal figure.

    Wouldn't it make more sense that all four represent abstract concepts: Perhaps like Conquest, War, Famine, and Death? War follows Conquest; Famine follows War; Death follows Famine; and the Grave is short behind.

    That's if you ask me, I think that would be a far more reasonable and consistent interpretation.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  11. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    +1,605
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Private
    The rider on the white horse is the Antichrist in the little horn stage of his career coming to rescue Israel from the Gog/Magog attack, as the act that will make the Jews think he is their perceived messiah. That is why he has the similitude to Jesus riding a white horse in Revelation 19.

    Doug
     
  12. interpreter

    interpreter Senior Member

    +129
    Anglican
    The first horseman arrived on the scene in 312 AD, on Oct.28th, when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow.
     
  13. ebedmelech

    ebedmelech My dog Micah in the pic Supporter

    +527
    Non-Denom
    Married
    US-Constitution
    Read it again... Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.

    I see where you're going but this is a very different thing from the event of the first seal.
     
  14. Manasseh_

    Manasseh_ not the evil king Manasseh

    +16
    Non-Denom
    Single
    the white horse rider in Rev 6 is a counterfeit to Christ the true white horse rider in Rev 19...........

    Christ gave the order of these symbolic horse riders in his Olivet prophecy..........

    the first thing he warned his apostles about was false religion/ deception

    Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    although they would appear to come in Christ's name they would deceive many teaching a false christ............symbolically shown by this white horse rider............the final embodiment of this is Babylon the harlot with it's leader the false prophet who promotes the beast to be worshiped and also proclaiming himself to be God

    Christ proceeds in order with war................the red horse
    then following after war famine and pestilence...........the black and pale horse..............

    one fourth of mankind is killed by these events (symbolic horse riders)

    Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    power was given unto THEM (four horseman) killing with martyrdom, war, famine and disease

    the remaining verses show that the true white horse rider (Rev 19) doesn't appear until after the sixth seal is opened and the heavenly signs are seen...........then everyone sees him coming attempting to hide from his wrath and judgment..............tribes of the earth mourn (Matt 24:30).............

    a simple comparison of Matt 24 (Olivet prophecy) an Rev 6 show the order of events are the same , I only reference Matthew's account because it's the most detailed, although Mark's account (Mark 13) an Luke's account (Luke 21) do offer additional information not found in Matthew's account

     
  15. ebedmelech

    ebedmelech My dog Micah in the pic Supporter

    +527
    Non-Denom
    Married
    US-Constitution
    This is why I go with the first seal being Christ. All the other seals leave no doubt as to what they are, but the first seal doesn't. It gives a description, but it says nothing of what this rider will do except "conquering and to conquer"...so we have to compare the scriptures to find out who this rider is.

    This is my case:

    Rev 6:1, 2:
    Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come.”
    2 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.


    Nothing more is known of this rider so we need to look at the four things said of the rider:

    *He rides a white horse - I see this is the symbol of "purity and power". That is certainly an attribute of Christ in all respects.

    *He has a bow
    - The bow speaks of Christ as He is described in Psalms 45:1-5:
    My heart overflows with a good theme; I address my verses to the King; My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
    2 You are fairer than the sons of men; Grace is poured upon Your lips;
    Therefore God has blessed You forever.
    3Gird Your sword on Your thigh, O Mighty One, In Your splendor and Your majesty!
    4 And in Your majesty ride on victoriously,For the cause of truth and meekness and righteousness; Let Your right hand teach You awesome things.
    5 Your arrows are sharp; The peoples fall under You; Your arrows are in the heart of the King’s enemies.


    These verses describe both white horse riders in Revelation 6:1,2 and 19:11, 12.

    The bow seems to have some hung up on this verse. The bow is used to shoot Gods arrows as he does His will on earth. When you do a study on how God uses "His arrows"...it comes clear especially in the Psalms. Like Psalms 144:5-8:
    5 Bow Your heavens, O Lord, and come down; Touch the mountains, that they may smoke.
    6 Flash forth lightning and scatter them; Send out Your arrows and confuse them.
    7 Stretch forth Your hand from on high; Rescue me and deliver me out of great waters, Out of the hand of aliens
    8 Whose mouths speak deceit, And whose right hand is a right hand of falsehood.


    *A crown is given to him - I see this as Christ receiving "All power and authority" after his resurrection as Jesus stated in Matthew 28:18, 19, this crown is given to Jesus by God. This is said in Psalm 8:3-5:
    4 What is man that You take thought of him, And the son of man that You care for him?
    5Yet You have made him a little lower than God, And You crown him with glory and majesty!
    6You make him to rule over the works of Your hands;


    *He goes out "conquering and to conquer"
    - This is also another attribute that we as Christians have through Jesus. Jesus conquers the power of sin and death in all believers. Also we are told in Romans 8:37-39:
    37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.
    38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
    39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    This is what the church is doing right now. We are overwhelmingly conquering on earth through Christ.

    Also we have to remember that when Jesus first came, he did not come demonstrating his power as "King of Kings and Lord of Lords". He came demonstrating His power over sin and death.

    When He comes again He comes as the Judge of all the earth, there will be no doubt about that to the world.

    I think both white horse riders are Christ, but the first is descriptive of His first coming, he conquered sin and death, and we conquer through Him. On His second coming He comes as King of "King and Lord of Lords", as he Judges the world.

    This is why I hold that this rider is Christ.
     
  16. interpreter

    interpreter Senior Member

    +129
    Anglican
    The 5 horsemen are the good guys of the Revelation. They are the founders of 5 Christian superpowers that rule the earth for Jesus.
     
  17. Manasseh_

    Manasseh_ not the evil king Manasseh

    +16
    Non-Denom
    Single
    all your ridiculous theories don't even deserve a reply
     
  18. Partaker of Christ

    Partaker of Christ Newbie

    355
    +30
    Christian
    Married
    The four horsemen bring judgments to the world.

    Jesus does not use a bow (with or without arrows) when He brings His judgment upon the world.

    He uses the sword of His mouth.

    Rev 1:16 In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.

    Rev 2:16 'Therefore repent; or else I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of My mouth.

    Rev 19:15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.

    [FONT=&quot]Rev 19:21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.[/FONT]
     
  19. zeke37

    zeke37 IMO...

    +190
    Non-Denom
    Married
    CA-Conservatives
    bow is the word "toxon" and means a cheap fabric imitation...
    not a weapon...a bolt of fabric....

    compare to what Christ and His Glorious Apparel is depicted as, and this cannot reference Christ.
     
  20. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

    +26,319
    Protestant
    Private
    US-Others
    The rider of the white horse is a conquering spirit endowed with diplomacy so smooth he can conquer without any arrows in his bow. Have you ever noticed the cross carried by the Pope? I'm just asking.
     
Loading...