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Rev 12 is FUTURE and the child is the church

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by HisdaughterJen, Aug 26, 2009.

  1. Revealing Times

    Revealing Times Well-Known Member

    NO.....Rev. 12:1-5 is passed events. Israel brought forth Jesus whom King Herod tried to kill via the dragons influence.

    Rev. 12:6-17 is THE PROPHECY.

    Israel flees into the Wilderness for 1260 days.
  2. saint2

    saint2 Regular Member Supporter

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    Some posters seem to forget that Jesus is already on the throne in heaven from Revelation 3:21 so John must be talking about the church in Revelation 12:5

    Also in Revelation 1:19 John is told to record what is to come, which is everything from Revelation 4 to 22. Jesus' birth and ascension was before John's time.

    Revelation 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God and to his throne;

    Children are normally born head first, then body.

    Sister Hisdaughterjen pointed out in post #5 that ...
    In comparing scripture with scripture, Christ is the one who rules with a rod of iron (which is descriptive of the man-child) but he gives that rulership to the church in Rev 2 & 3.
    The man-child is definitely the church.

    Revelation 2:26 To everyone who conquers and continues to do my works to the end,
    I will give authority over the nations to rule them with an iron rod,

    Romans 8:22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning in labor pains until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit,

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  3. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

    The Book of Revelation is a book of symbols and is definitely not in chronological order.

    Christ returns "as a thief" at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16, and He also returns in chapter 19.

    The "time of the judgment of the dead" in found in Revelation 11:18.

    The book is a series of overlapping visions.

    The statement above is an attempt to make scripture fit a man-made doctrine, since the context of the passage includes the birth and death of Christ.

    Psalm 2 plainly says the "Son" is the one who rules with a rod of iron.
    He does not correct the flawed pottery with the rod. He destroys it.

    The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson including the birth and death of Christ, and the casting out of the wicked angels.

    Are wicked angels in heaven now?

    2Pe_2:4  For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    Jud_1:6  And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


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