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How do we know that the OT prophetic verses of the Bible are about the modern state of Israel and not the return from exile after Babylonian captivity?

How would you refute those who say those verses about the return from exile and not the restoration of modern Israel?
 

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How do we know that the OT prophetic verses of the Bible are about the modern state of Israel and not the return from exile after Babylonian captivity?

How would you refute those who say those verses about the return from exile and not the restoration of modern Israel?
What verses specifically are you referring to? Many times, biblical prophecies have double applications - a minor application, and a major application.
 
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There has been the fulfillment of the scriptures talking about the return and the building of the 2nd temple. Those scriptures that talk about that have been fulfilled. But there is talk of a third temple as well and not just a return of the Israelites to Israel but of the return of God to Israel. And this restoration is to happen in our day, the last days. A lot of the passages use the phrase "in that day" and "in the latter days." Those passages are referring to our time today.

To go through them all individually requires a class format and would take too long for a forum.
 
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There has been the fulfillment of the scriptures talking about the return and the building of the 2nd temple. Those scriptures that talk about that have been fulfilled. But there is talk of a third temple as well and not just a return of the Israelites to Israel but of the return of God to Israel. And this restoration is to happen in our day, the last days. A lot of the passages use the phrase "in that day" and "in the latter days." Those passages are referring to our time today.

To go through them all individually requires a class format and would take too long for a forum.

Thank you. Can you provided me some verses?
 
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Example of the 2nd temple period in prophecy:

“For thus says Yahweh: When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will visit you, and I will fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place. ~Jeremiah 29:10

Example of end times prophecy:

For who among them has stood in the council of the Lord
to see and to hear his word,
or who has paid attention to his word and listened?
Behold, the storm of Yahweh!
Wrath has gone forth,
a whirling tempest;
it will burst upon the head of the wicked.
The anger of Yahweh will not turn back
until he has executed and accomplished
the intents of his heart.
In the latter days you will understand it clearly.
~
Jeremiah 23:18-20

If I were to go through passage by passage it would be an arduous thing.
 
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How do we know that the OT prophetic verses of the Bible are about the modern state of Israel and not the return from exile after Babylonian captivity?

How would you refute those who say those verses about the return from exile and not the restoration of modern Israel?

Because they never were scattered around earth , they went to captivity always as group and went out as group . God only once scattered them and only once gathers them together to thier land .

Look what Yah said :

15Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

16 I will scatter them also among the heathen, whom neither they nor their fathers have known: and I will send a sword after them, till I have consumed them.

37Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:

Were Jews gathered from all countries ? Yes
Back to thier place , which was desert and in 70 years thier currency compete with $ and they are regional power , survived war in 1967 against all odds .

If you ask about prophecy then next one is Isaiah 17 :cool1:
 
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How do we know that the OT prophetic verses of the Bible are about the modern state of Israel and not the return from exile after Babylonian captivity?

How would you refute those who say those verses about the return from exile and not the restoration of modern Israel?

Because the prophecies about the return of israel contained a great many details which have unquestionably not been fulfilled, even to this day. One is the detail in Ezekiel 36:4-10, that absolutely all of the "house of Israel" would once again inhabit "the Mountains of Israel," along "the hills," the valleys," the rivers," "the desolate places," and "the cities which have been forsaken."

Another is the specific defination of the end time borders of the land in Ezekiel 47:13-18, and the explicit instructions for how it will be divided among the twelve tribes in the next chapter.

These are only two of a great many such prophecies that most certainly have not been fulfilled.
 
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I agree with Biblewriter as to his assessment of the modern state of Israel. Nothing about it comes close to fulfilling the required prophecies. When God finally fulfills those prophecies, the whole world will know it.

Here's a map that compares the land that Israel now occupies (red) with the promised land that Israel will occupy when God fulfills the scripture and brings them into the land. Note: the maps showing the promised land vary somewhat depending on the author's interpretation. I chose this one since it overlays the land they have now with the promised land.
http://www.refuteit.com/article-blog/the-geographic-center-of-the-earth-and-the-bible

Here's how a person, whose knowledge I respect, sums up the situation, in his article, fittingly entitled, "The Grand Hoax."

"The Israeli government, today, is made up of unbelieving Jews administering a socialistic government which depends mostly upon the U.S.A. for its sustenance. When the true descendants of the three Patriarchs occupy the Land, they will depend on the LORD their God, and in no-one else will they trust. They will be totally dependent upon the Lord Jesus Christ. And, He will meet every need of His re-gathered people."

The last prophecy to be fulfilled was the destruction of the temple in 70AD, 1948 years ago. All Bible prophecy involves the nation of Israel, but since Israel, as a nation, was set aside in Acts 28: 25-27, when Paul pronounced total blindness and deafness upon them when he quoted the curse of Isa 6:9-10 for the 7th and last time in scripture, the fulfillment of prophecy ceased along with the nation of Israel.
Ac 28:25-27 (& 28)-- vss 25-27 From Isa 6:9-10 - the setting aside of Israel
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Then, in vs 28, Paul announced that the salvation of God was given to the Gentiles. When they were given it at the end of Acts, that means they had NEVER had it from Gen 12 thru the end of Acts. Some believe that the term, "Salvation of God", in vs 28, refers to Jesus Christ. That makes sense, since we see in Eph 2:11-13. that, before today's Church, found only in Paul's 7 books written after the end of Acts, the Gentiles were without Christ (from Gen 12 thru Ac 28). But now (in the present dispensation - starting at Acts 28:28), we are made near to Christ by His blood
Ac 28:28
Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Without a temple, it's impossible for Israel to keep the law. Since Israel will ALWAYS have to keep the law, they cannot please God and they have been Lo-ammi, not my people, as in Hos 1:9. Today, salvation is an individual thing. Those fake Talmudic unbelieving Jews in Israel are not saved nationally in this 2000 year parenthetical period we now live in, since there is no nation of Israel in God's eyes. They can only be saved, as individuals, by believing in Christ, as in Paul's Gospel in 1Cor 15:1-4. This Gentile era started in about 63AD, so, in about 2063, it will probably (my guess) be over with. Israel will then be back on the scene and prophecy will once again start to be fulfilled., but those clowns now in Israel will be 2nd rate, at best.
 
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