Republican Health Care Bill Falls Short, Dealing Blow To Trump Agenda

[morningstar2651]

After seven years of promising to repeal the Affordable Care Act, Republican efforts at passing a health care bill on their own may have ended Monday night as the bill working its way through the Senate was effectively blocked. Two more GOP senators – Mike Lee of Utah and Jerry Moran of Kansas – came out in opposition to the bill, which means it cannot get enough support to pass.

Republican Health Care Bill Falls Short, Dealing Blow To Trump Agenda

 

[Allandavid]

Awwwww....so sad...

 

[Colter]

The fraud of the ACA was designed to fail as it was intended to be an intermediate step between private, quality health care, and DMV like healthcare. Millions have lost their coverage due to the skyrocketing premiums.

 

[Fantine]

The danger is now that McConnell wants to have a "repeal only" vote without replacing. That is likely to fail, too, although the current Senators in stated opposition are three tea party nihilists and only one woman of conscience (although there are a few other Republicans of conscience who stated reservations but had not yet declared.)

Hopefully the Republicans of conscience would immediately quash the idea of repeal without replacement, but they will need people of conscience to get on their case and journalists of conscience to expose this chicanery for what it is.

 

[LoAmmi]

The fraud of the ACA was designed to fail as it was intended to be an intermediate step between private, quality health care, and DMV like healthcare. Millions have lost their coverage due to the skyrocketing premiums.

It could have worked if the penalty for not having insurance cost more than an average insurance plan. Enough young people would have been in the system to lower the premiums. That was the idea when the Heritage Foundation (very conservative organization) came up with it years ago.

It fell out of favor with conservatives when it had the name Obama attached to it.

 

[Colter]

It could have worked if the penalty for not having insurance cost more than an average insurance plan. Enough young people would have been in the system to lower the premiums. That was the idea when the Heritage Foundation (very conservative organization) came up with it years ago.

It fell out of favor with conservatives when it had the name Obama attached to it.

Not true, the ACA had significant differences although it was perhaps made to appear to be the same. The architects of the ACA were candid about their deception after the ACA happened to citizens who trusted Obamas lies. http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/12/the-aca-v-the-heritage-plan-a-comparison-in-chart-form

 

[LoAmmi]

Not true, the ACA had significant differences although it was perhaps made to appear to be the same. The architects of the ACA were candid about their deception after the ACA happened to citizens who trusted Obamas lies. http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/12/the-aca-v-the-heritage-plan-a-comparison-in-chart-form

I'll stick by what I said in terms of the penalty not being enough to force young people onto plans to keep premiums low. Keeping around insurance plans that are of less value than the paper they aren't printed on (digital age!) is a bad idea. I had one when I was younger and then had a seizure. The hospital bill was several weeks of my pay at the time.

 

[Belk]

The fraud of the ACA was designed to fail as it was intended to be an intermediate step between private, quality health care, and DMV like healthcare. Millions have lost their coverage due to the skyrocketing premiums.

According to whom based on what evidence?

 

[Colter]

There are lots of examples of skyrocketing premiums covered by various media outlets. Is Obamacare really affordable? Not for the middle class.

 

[LoAmmi]

Obama lied about the individual mandate. Leftist always lie about their true intentions.

How Obama Broke His Promise on Individual Mandates

Rightists always lie about their true intentions.

Broad brushes are fun!

 

[Obliquinaut]

After seven years of promising to repeal the Affordable Care Act, Republican efforts at passing a health care bill on their own may have ended Monday night as the bill working its way through the Senate was effectively blocked. Two more GOP senators – Mike Lee of Utah and Jerry Moran of Kansas – came out in opposition to the bill, which means it cannot get enough support to pass.

Republican Health Care Bill Falls Short, Dealing Blow To Trump Agenda

This whole thing is so very sad for the GOP. It exposes the fact that they never had a workable replacement plan!

I mean, we all sort of knew that, right? The GOP knows that Americans wanted all the aspects of the ACA that reformed the health insurance market and they knew that the only way to do that was to incentivize the insurance companies with the mandate (because the Heritage Foundation figured that out in 1994!)

All they ever really wanted was to stick it to Obama. That's it. It was NEVER informed by having a superior idea.

And now that they've helped destabilize the ACA with their constant demonization to low-information voters and governors who hurt their citizens by stopping medicaid expansion they've effectively turned a workable (if imperfect) system into a potential mess and they never had a back-up plan.

These folks should feel bad. Very bad. (But they don't, no, they don't. They feel bad that they couldn't stick it to Obama some more, but now it's all on them.)

 

[Obliquinaut]

Obama lied about the individual mandate.

No he did not. He was wrong on the "like your doctor, keep your doctor".

The mandate is how you incentivize a risk-based company to take on higher risk clients. This is a concept that is pretty common sense (if one knows how insurance works).

And, no, the Mandate is actually a concept that the conservative Heritage Foundation came up with in 1994. They were not very fond of it, but they understood how insurance companies work.

 

[Obliquinaut]

Rightists always lie about their true intentions.

Broad brushes are fun!

Only in the present debacle playing out in DC we see the GOP never had any intention of "replacement". They spent 7 years whining but never once got around to coming up with a replacement plan.

Their true intentions are quite plain to see now. It was NEVER about healthcare reform. It was ALWAYS about stickin' it to Obama.

 

[Obliquinaut]

The fraud of the ACA was designed to fail as it was intended to be an intermediate step between private, quality health care, and DMV like healthcare. Millions have lost their coverage due to the skyrocketing premiums.

"DMV like healthcare"?

Is it marginally possible for Conservatives to talk about the topic without misrepresenting concepts like "single payer" or falsely conflating them with the worst examples of government run medicine?

 

[morningstar2651]

The fraud of the ACA was designed to fail as it was intended to be an intermediate step between private, quality health care, and DMV like healthcare. Millions have lost their coverage due to the skyrocketing premiums.

Obamacare Has Increased Insurance Coverage Everywhere

 

[TBDude65]

I won't be shedding any tears for the obstructionist party (GOP) or their attempts to harm the majority of Americans.

 

[morningstar2651]

All they ever really wanted was to stick it to Obama. That's it. It was NEVER informed by having a superior idea.

This. Seven years of campaigning on the promise of repealing Obamacare, and when they finally have a Republican in the white house and a Republican majority in the congress it dawns on them that they may have to deliver on the promise. They hadn't prepared a single viable alternative in those seven years.

 

[LoAmmi]

This. Seven years of campaigning on the promise of repealing Obamacare, and when they finally have a Republican in the white house and a Republican majority in the congress it dawns on them that they may have to deliver on the promise. They hadn't prepared a single viable alternative in those seven years.

Grayson was right many years ago. GOP Plan:

1. Don't get sick.
2. If you get sick, die quickly.
(yes, I realize this is a gross exaggeration)

 

[Colter]

Rightists always lie about their true intentions.

Broad brushes are fun!

Trump said what he wanted to do and he's doing it.

Its because socialism is a ponzi scheme that it requires indoctrinated followers and beneficiaries to sing it's praises.

 

[morningstar2651]

Promising to repeal Obamacare was a tool the politicians used to manipulate Republican voters, much like promising that Mexico is going to pay to build a border wall for us.

It lets the politician promise something they can't deliver, perform a token effort at delivering at the promise, and keep you voting for their party in hopes that one day they will deliver on that promise. This worked well during the Obama years. There were a ton of failed votes to repeal Obamacare that had no chance of success. The politicians knew it had no chance of success, but it let them claim they were trying.

Of course, this is only sustainable if they can't actually deliver on the promise. Now that the Republican party is in a position where they could repeal Obamacare, they're in a bit of a predicament.

If they successfully repeal Obamacare, then they lose the tool that they relied on to stay in office and risk being voted out of office by the people that suffer from their vote.

If they vote against the repeal, then they risk their constituents realizing that they never actually intended to repeal Obamacare - that they were lying to get votes.