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Featured Repent of our Sins?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Zachm531, Dec 26, 2019.

  1. Oldmantook

    Oldmantook Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.
     
  2. Oldmantook

    Oldmantook Well-Known Member

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    I never wrote nor meant to imply that we can repent or change by our own abilities/strength. Grace to do so only comes via the atoning blood of Jesus and by the subsequent indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
     
  3. 1Reformedman

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    the word "if" there means BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT you have been made partakers with Christ.

    You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between truth statements with a works-based faith. You keep pushing ya gotta do this or ya lose yer salvation. THAT ISNT WHAT JESUS SAID. He said he would not lose a single one who the father had given him except for the son of perdition who was Judas Iscariot. When one is saved, the faith one has causes that one to do good works unto the end.
     
  4. 1Reformedman

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    agreed regeneration must occur before one can believe and repent
     
  5. Oldmantook

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    If you read Jn 17:6-12 carefully, you will notice that Judas along with the rest of the disciples were GIVEN to Jesus by the Father. No distinction is made between Judas and his cohorts except for the fact that he was lost. That fact that the Father "gave" Judas to Jesus shows that Judas was of the elect as the Father chooses whom He will save. Despite being of the elect, Judas was still lost because of his disobedience and betrayal which totally contradicts the false teaching of eternal security.

    You also take Jn 10:28-29 out of context. Not being plucked out of the Father's hand refers only to those sheep who LISTEN and FOLLOW in v.27. Sheep who stray away from the Shepherd by not listening and following are not privy to the promises of v.28-29.
     
  6. 1Reformedman

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    Some prefer to stay lost? Im going to say Wrong again, biblically speaking. The lost are spiritually dead, deaf and blind, they cannot understand spiritual things and they cannot please God. God must do something in them before they would ever, and could ever, desire to do anything different. They dont seek God either. Romans 3:11 Only some of the lost are meant to be saved and God determined who those would be before the foundation of the world began and he did that choosing according to the whole counsel of his will not the will of any man.
     
  7. jahel

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    The thread is about repentance but includes justification, sanctification, glorification, redemption and osas :doh: Guess rewards should be an acceptable topic also then.
    WRONG all of you!!!!
     
  8. 1Reformedman

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    Read John 6 again contextually. Yes in John 10 Jesus was very clear that none could be plucked out of his hand or the father's hand. oh and I didn't take John 10 out of context. Jesus said MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE AND THEY FOLLOW ME. IF they know his voice they folow him. lt thereby follows logically if they dont hear his voice they arent going to follow him because they are spiritually dead, deaf and blind still. You are the one cherry picking instead of taking the bible in totality on specific teaching. Those who don't have ears to hear aren't sheep they are unbelievers and some are masquerading as goats.
     
  9. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Nope. "If" is a conditional clause. Look it up in the dictionary at Google.
     
  10. 1Reformedman

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    learn to stop using English grammar for a greek language, sir.
     
  11. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    No. It is saying that we are to put on the Elect of God certain holy behaviors. If we were just automatically the Elect, Paul would never tell believers to put on certain qualities that the Elect have.
     
  12. 1Reformedman

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    the elect of God are those who believe and that passage is about becoming sanctified and mature in the faith. In other words for the previous reasons, you as the elect of God are to put on the following things. This is about sanctification and becoming a mature believer.
     
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  13. renniks

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    What the heck are you repenting from if it's not your sins?
     
  14. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    No thanks.

    God's Word claims that it will be preserved for all generations (Psalms 12:7) and it will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8) (1 Peter 1:25).

    "Then the LORD answered me and said: “Write the vision And make it plain on tablets, That he may run who reads it." (Habakkuk 2:2).
     
  15. Bible Highlighter

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    No. Go back and read the verse. It says put therefore on certain holy qualities as the Elect of God. That is what it plainly says in the English.
     
  16. 1Reformedman

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    of course you wont because that would be too much like the right thing to do. The word If in the greek means more than it does in English and what it specifically means is based upon the context.
     
  17. 1Reformedman

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    I dont think you understand Greek thought process. Whenever you see the word "therefore" it is an indication that you are to go to the previous verses in the passage to find the context. That is basic Greek grammar rules. The context for that chapter is found in verse 1.
     
  18. jahel

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    A person needs truth behind their convictions John 15:6 While Hebrews 6 says that sins are not erased by going back and being saved all over again. But the faithful will lose rewards John 15:2 1 Corinthians 3:15

    The work of the Father in His purpose is basic to security Ephesians 1:4, Hebrews 2:10 because it’s the power to save and to keep John 10:29, Romans 8:31-34 being also the promise of God john 3:16, because of His love Romans 5:7-9

    Christ’s work is His provision Romans 5:8, Romans 8:1 as the author of eternal salvation Hebrews 5:8-9 It is finished, paid in full. His resurrection and ascension was the provision made for that security. Ephesians 2:6 And basic to our security is His position as our advocate Hebrews 9:24 where He pleads for the benefits and values of His blood and His work as the Shepard. John 10:27-28 ‘saved to the utmost Hebrews 7:25,

    The Holy Spirit’s indwelling is also basic in building the temple of living stones, permanent and not temporary. Ephesians 2:22 because we have been baptized into Him 1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 5:27 in which Christians have the sealing work Ephesians 1:13-14 The Holy Spirit is God’s irremovable and identifying brand.
     
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  19. 1Reformedman

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    agreed and when the holy spirit indwells he doesn't leave as God isnt an Indian giver. Salvation has been secured for those its been/being granted to.
     
  20. jahel

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    My point was that it’s not a matter of losing salvation but of losing rewards for those who have obtained salvation. Once accepted by God, thru propitiation, we can fall into a lesser inheritance than what was once an entitlement. I’m not talking about the lost but those found and having been brought back into the fold. They have the choice then of following law or grace, grace being the move of the Holy Spirit in one’s life, law following the deadness of the letter rather than the Spirit. They will lose like the Israelites did in coming short thru unbelief and lack of trust, yet the remnant will be saved.
     
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