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Remove humans, and... animals fight over who is next?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Gottservant, Jul 31, 2019.

  1. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    Hi there,

    So I am not saying we don't care for animals, we do, but the day will come when we are gone, what will happen to them?

    I don't want to suggest we are vain, but are animals merely going to fight one another - or are they going to fight over one another over who is next to be where humans are now?

    I think the problem with Evolution is that it basically says "depending on how depleted our resources are, when we die or vanish or leave, animals will try to fill the gap" some in a good way, some in a bad way.

    Are we ready to leave that legacy?
     
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  2. Danielwright2311

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    No, they will say, we will re-evolve from more animals, because the truth is.

    In evolution, we where first animals some how.

    But there are millions of different animals, but only two types of humans.

    So, there should be million different types of humans.

    Ones from bears, that is a bear human, and one from a fish, a fish human, one from a donkey, a donkey human. so on and so forth.
     
  3. Occams Barber

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    :sigh:
     
  4. Tolworth John

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    When there is no more people there will no longer be an earth.
    When Jesus returns again he will collect the Christians who are alive, the nonchristians for judgement and destroy the earth and universe.

    note.
    animals prey upon one others and only compete for territory or mates. Unlike humans they don't fight for political, economic or religous reasons.
     
  5. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    ... this is much more of a philosophical question than a scientific one.

    Although, a good example of what a world without humans would be like is definitely the Chernobyl exclusion zone. Animals just don't care.
     
  6. Gene2memE

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    I'm not sure this makes syntactic sense. Can you rephrase?

    We're animals still.

    Huh?

    There's either one single species of human (homo sapiens sapiens), or one extant type of humans (behaviorally and anatomically modern homo sapiens sapiens) and many extinct sub-species (Homo neanderthalensis, Homo rhodesiensis, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo antecessor and Homo denisova)

    I'm not sure that follows. I don't think there are millions of any one species. So, why should there be millions of species of humans?

    Woah. Double woah.

    Wow, do you ever need an education about the conclusions from evolutionary biology about human origins.

    The evidence is that humans are a descendant population of an earlier population of ape-like creatures. Nothing about that means there should be a "bear human" or a "fish human" or a "donkey human".

    Humans aren't an evolutionary end point for all populations, we're just one branch of the Hominidae evolutionary tree. Evolution isn't trying to come up with more humans, its a winnowing process that finds the adaptations best suited to reproductive success in a given environment.

    Apes and bears last had a common ancestor about 80 million years ago, apes and donkeys about 100 million years ago and apes and fish about 300 million years ago. Why then, would you think that there should be a "bear human" or a "fish human" or a "donkey human"?
     
  7. Bungle_Bear

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  8. Danielwright2311

    Danielwright2311 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'm not trying to be mean here or insulting, I will say how can you not understand what i am saying?

    None of what I posted is confusing to understand.

    So because of this, I will not answer you as your trying to start a fight for no reason.
     
  9. Danielwright2311

    Danielwright2311 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Further more, every post is ignored unless it threatens the very truth. And it is to distract from truth to start a fight.
     
  10. Shemjaza

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    I was able to understand your post, but you have some very incorrect ideas about what the theory of evolution proposes.

    Humans are not the goal of evolution. And they are not a practical result from most lineages of animals. Many primates are quite intelligent with some basic tool use but only one branch became a technological intelligence.

    Evolution is just the description of how and why life changes.
     
  11. Danielwright2311

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    Thank you for being nice.

    Then I ask this.

    Why is it, there are people like me, who have met angels and others have met Jesus and others have met God?

    There are millions of us.

    I understand all of evolution, I have studied it all.

    There are many groups of evolutionists who claim we come from monkeys.
    There are others who claim we come from fish.
    There are others who say we come down a line of other animals.

    Then there are others like you.

    So, who is correct?

    Not all of them.

    You want to know my supposition?

    I do not believe any of them.

    I know something others also know.

    Evolution is not a fact.
     
  12. Bungle_Bear

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    Assuming those who claim we came from "other animals" are referring to something within accepted lineages then, contrary to your assertion, all of them are correct
    And that's where you need to support yourself. All the evidence goes against you, so good luck with that.
     
  13. Shemjaza

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    I honestly don't have a good explanation. I don't think every religious believer is insane.

    However personally I have never had those experiences and the universe while weird doesn't seem to need or indicate the existence of a God.

    Whatever individual people who might believe in evolution, for some coherent discussion it is better to focus on what the scientific theory proposes.

    But, all three of those statements using imprecise non-scientific terms are simultaneously true.

    Humans and modern monkeys are both descended from an ancient tailed primates called catarrhines, which if you or I saw today we would just call a monkey.

    However between modern humans and the ancient catarrhine "monkeys" are a whole lot of changes that we define as a number of different species. From the first tailless primates who become all modern apes, to the hominini who became chimps, australopithecus and homids. And the many hominids who branched in and out till we got modern humans.

    Also, long before there were any monkeys, the ancestors of mammals and reptiles were fish who slowly adapted to living on the shore, then eventually to living on the land full time.

    So, you can see how all three of your statements can be true.

    You are welcome to your beliefs.

    You do not believe that evolution is true and you have your very personal reasons for doing so.

    It is not reasonable to present false statements about what others believe or what scientific research demonstrates.
     
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  14. Danielwright2311

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    I disagree, all the evidence of GOD and satan is scattered in all religions all over the world, statues i can see, depictions I can read and touch.

    Snakes of satan in every culture.

    Places Jesus walked and places real events of the bible took place, all over the world.

    Billions of believers all in recorded time.

    You are telling me there is some evidence some where that proves the worlds evidence of God wrong.

    Sorry, I will never believe any of it.

    I will pray for you that the living spirit of God opens your eyes to love and truth.
     
  15. Danielwright2311

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    And i am not trying to break your faith in evolution either.

    I am standing up for my faith in my belief when questioned.
     
  16. Bungle_Bear

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    Nice posturing for which you have absolutely no supporting evidence.
    Outside of the bible, what evidence for Jesus are you referring to?
     
  17. Shemjaza

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    I don't have faith in evolution, if evidence demonstrated that it was wrong, I'd leave it with barely a look back.

    And defending your beliefs is fine, it's presenting other's beliefs in a incorrect way that can be both insulting and dishonest. (I think it's an easy trap for people of all beliefs and attitudes to fall into.)
     
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  18. Lost4words

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    If humans went i could do what i wanted then!
     
  19. Danielwright2311

    Danielwright2311 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Now, now, this is how it starts.

    Asking questions you need to research your self.

    I researched your belief, for years.

    Why cant you just leave it as it stands?

    I believe what i do based on my life experience and so do you.

    I will always believe in God, so your wasting your time.

    I could give a list of real facts and proof, but you need to go find them so you can see all the evidence witch is way to much to list.I can not list millions of facts of real documented proof of artifacts and places in one little post.

    Let me believe what i do, and if your that interested, PM me, and i can give you links to videos that show all the evidence i have.
     
  20. Danielwright2311

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    I get that.

    Then don't question me on my belief on evolution.
     
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