Remembering JFK

[Michie]

and Ireland was neutral in WWII....

Interesting...I did not know that.

 

[S.ilvio]

and Ireland was neutral in WWII....

A perfectly reasonable stance to take as a tiny fledgeling democracy on a rock in the Atlantic...

 

[S.ilvio]

Interesting...I did not know that.

So was America until Pearl Harbour............

 

[Michie]

So was America until Pearl Harbour............

I did not know that either. Ask me about the Civil War & I'm up on that. WWII, just a skimming of knowledge. Pretty superficial. I need to change that.

 

[Michie]

So I just read that many believe that we were not neutral during WWII before Pearl Harbor. Because we were supplying weapons to the British.

We had the Neutrality Act, yes we were neutral on paper, but FDR got around it by the Lend Lease Act, not giving aid to Britain but lending and leasing.

A big fat loophole there.

Not only that but Germany and Japan along with Italy signed a mutual defense agreement called the Tri pact or something like that, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, we declared war, and 1 hour after the attack Japan declared war on the U S A, that War declaration forced Germany to Declare war on the U S A as required by the Mutual Defense agreement with Japan. This ended the Neutrality Act.

America was full of German sympathizers, they held Nazi rally's in Madison Square Garden filled to capacity, they held parades all over the country, in particular Milwaukee Wisconsin. Charles Lindburg was a Nazi sympathizer, Prescott Bush was, the grandfather of the current president, his bank in NYC was shut down as a Nazi front, and closed for doing business with the enemy, all major American Corporations were doing business with the Nazis and continued to do so after the war started, many anyway.

Seems Kennedy's dad was pretty much in step with his peers.

 

[Second Phoenix]

So was America until Pearl Harbour............

No, the US was not. The US had various policies favoring the allies versus Germany and Japan. The people of the US were not interested in sending theirs sons to fight in another one of Europe's long and pointless wars.

Pearl Harbor was a result of the Japanese recognizing that war would eventually take place. They hoped that by destroying the Pacific Fleet, the US would compromise in order to focus on Germany.

 

[S.ilvio]

No, the US was not. The US had various policies favoring the allies versus Germany and Japan. The people of the US were not interested in sending theirs sons to fight in another one of Europe's long and pointless wars.

Pearl Harbor was a result of the Japanese recognizing that war would eventually take place. They hoped that by destroying the Pacific Fleet, the US would compromise in order to focus on Germany.

America was militarily neutral until Pearl Harbour...

 

[wondrousgnat]

I was in my high school chemistry class. The principal made the announcement over the loudspeaker. My teacher said "good." Of course we were in shock to begin with then more shock over the teacher's comment. She made no other statement nor any explanation. I am certain that is what I remember most about hearing the news.

I recall the election in 1960. The news media stated that both Kennedy and Nixon would make good presidents. They also said that both Henry Cabot Lodge and Lyndon Johnson would make good vice presidents. My how politics have changed.

 

[S.ilvio]

I was in my high school chemistry class. The principal made the announcement over the loudspeaker. My teacher said "good." Of course we were in shock to begin with then more shock over the teacher's comment. She made no other statement nor any explanation. I am certain that is what I remember most about hearing the news.

Wow. Thats really something for a teacher to say in front of class...

 

[Michie]

I just read Ireland had their loopholes as well during WWII.

 

[Michie]

America was militarily neutral until Pearl Harbour...

Only on paper.

 

[S.ilvio]

I just read Ireland had their loopholes as well during WWII.

Oh yes. We were neutral on the side of the Allies. We gave them access to our ports and all German pilots who landed in Ireland were detained until the end of the war while British pilots were allowed return to the UK there and then...

 

[Michie]

Oh yes. We were neutral on the side of the Allies. We gave them access to our ports and all German pilots who landed in Ireland were detained until the end of the war while British pilots were allowed return to the UK there and then...

 

[abysmul]

[FONT=&quot]Here are 12 Kennedy quotes:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] The American character has been not only religious, idealistic, and patriotic, but because of these it has been essentially individual. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Independence Day Oration, July 4th, 1946[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]2.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Conceived in Grecian thought, strengthened by Christian morality, and stamped indelibly into American political philosophy, the right of the individual against the State is the keystone of our Constitution. Each man is free. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Independence Day Oration, July 4th, 1946[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]3.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] In Revolutionary times, the cry “No taxation without representation” was not an economic complaint. Rather, it was directly traceable to the eminently fair and just principle that no sovereign power has the right to govern without the consent of the governed. Anything short of that was tyranny. It was against this tyranny that the colonists “fired the shot heard ’round the world.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Independence Day Oration, July 4th, 1946[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]4.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] The ever expanding power of the federal government, the absorption of many of the functions that states and cities once considered to be responsibilities of their own, must now be a source of concern to all those who believe as did the great patriot, Henry Grattan that: “Control over local affairs is the essence of liberty.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Commencement Address, University of Notre Dame, January 29, 1950[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]5.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] I’d be very happy to tell them I’m not a liberal at all…I’m not comfortable with those people. Saturday Evening Post, June 1953 [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]6.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] I say this not because I believe Christianity is a weapon in the present world struggle, but because I believe religion itself is at the root of the struggle, not in terms of the physical organizations of Christianity versus those of Atheism, but in terms of Good versus Evil, right versus wrong… Our minds, like the headlines of our newspapers, are intent upon the present and future conflicts of armed might, and upon the brutal, physical side of that ominous war upon which we have bestowed the strange epithet “cold”. We tend to forget the moral and spiritual issues which inhere in the fateful encounter of which the physical war is but one manifestation. We tend to forget those ideals and faiths and philosophical needs which drive men far more intensively than military and economic objectives. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Commencement Address, Assumption College, June 3, 1955[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]7.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] But in “the stern encounter”, in the moral struggle, religion is not simply a weapon- it is the essence of the struggle itself. The Communist rulers do not fear the phraseology of religion, or the ceremonies and churches and denomination organizations. On the contrary, they leave no stone unturned in seeking to turn these aspects of religion to their own advantage and to use the trappings of religion in order to cement the obedience of their people. What they fear is the profound consequences of a religion that is lived and not merely acknowledged. They fear especially man’s response to spiritual and ethical stimuli, not merely material. A society which seeks to make the worship of the State the ultimate objective of life cannot permit a higher loyalty, a faith in God, a belief in a religion that elevates the individual, acknowledges his true value and teaches him devotion and responsibility to something beyond the here and now. The communist fear Christianity more as a way of life than as a weapon. In short, there is room in a totalitarian system for churches- but there is no room for God. The claim of the State most be total, and no other loyalty, and no other philosophy of life can be tolerated. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Commencement Address, Assumption College, June 3, 1955[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]8.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] This administration is pledged to a Federal revenue system that balances the budget over the years of the economic cycle – yielding surpluses for debt retirement in times of high employment that more than offset the deficits which accompany – and indeed help overcome – low levels of economic activity in poor years…Debt retirement at high employment contributes to economic growth by releasing savings for productive investment by private enterprise and State and local governments.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Special Message to the Congress: Program for Economic Recovery and Growth, February 2, 1961[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]9.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] If it is in the public interest to maintain an industry, it is clearly not in the public interest by the impact of regulatory authority to destroy its otherwise viable way of life. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Special Message to the Congress on Regulatory Agencies, April 13, 1961[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]10.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] While government economists can point out the necessity of increasing the rates of investment, of modernizing plant and productivity, while Washington officials may urge responsible collective bargaining and responsible wage-price decisions, we also recognize that beneath all the laws and guidelines and tax policies and stimulants we can provide, these matters all come down, quite properly in the last analysis, to private decisions by private individuals. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Address Before the United States Chamber of Commerce on Its 50th Anniversary, April 30, 1962[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]11.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] We want prosperity and in a free enterprise system there can be no prosperity without profit. We want a growing economy and there can be no growth without the investment that is inspired and financed by profit. We want to maintain our natural security and other essential programs and we will have little revenue to finance them unless there is profit. We want to improve our balance of payments without reducing our commitments abroad, and we cannot increase our export surplus, which we must, without modernizing our plants through profit…In short, our primary challenge is not how to divide the economic pie, but how to enlarge it. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Address Before the United States Chamber of Commerce on Its 50th Anniversary, April 30, 1962[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] 12. This administration intends to cut taxes in order to build the fundamental strength of our economy, to remove a serious barrier to long-term growth, to increase incentives by routing out inequities and complexities and to prevent the even greater budget deficit that a lagging economy would otherwise surely produce. The worst deficit comes from a recession, and if we can take the proper action in the proper time, this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. That is the right kind of tax cut both for your family budget and the national budget…Every dollar released from taxation that is spent or invested will help create a new job and a new salary. And these new jobs and new salaries can create other jobs and other salaries and more customers and more growth for an expanding American economy. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Radio and Television Report to the American People on the State of the National Economy, August 13, 1962[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[Second Phoenix]

America was militarily neutral until Pearl Harbour...

The US had economic policies that favored the allies over the axis. The US boycotted Japan while also helping the UK.

 

[Second Phoenix]

America was militarily neutral until Pearl Harbour...

Nope. I think getting involved in emerging nations was also dumb.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Not only that but Germany and Japan along with Italy signed a mutual defense agreement called the Tri pact or something like that, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, we declared war, and 1 hour after the attack Japan declared war on the U S A, that War declaration forced Germany to Declare war on the U S A as required by the Mutual Defense agreement with Japan. This ended the Neutrality Act.

America was full of German sympathizers, they held Nazi rally's in Madison Square Garden filled to capacity, they held parades all over the country, in particular Milwaukee Wisconsin. .

There are always the few - who are clueless.

[FONT=&quot]Here are 12 Kennedy quotes:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] The American character has been not only religious, idealistic, and patriotic, but because of these it has been essentially individual. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Independence Day Oration, July 4th, 1946[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Conceived in Grecian thought, strengthened by Christian morality, and stamped indelibly into American political philosophy, the right of the individual against the State is the keystone of our Constitution. Each man is free. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Independence Day Oration, July 4th, 1946[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] In Revolutionary times, the cry “No taxation without representation” was not an economic complaint. Rather, it was directly traceable to the eminently fair and just principle that no sovereign power has the right to govern without the consent of the governed. Anything short of that was tyranny. It was against this tyranny that the colonists “fired the shot heard ’round the world.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Independence Day Oration, July 4th, 1946[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] The ever expanding power of the federal government, the absorption of many of the functions that states and cities once considered to be responsibilities of their own, must now be a source of concern to all those who believe as did the great patriot, Henry Grattan that: “Control over local affairs is the essence of liberty.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Commencement Address, University of Notre Dame, January 29, 1950[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] I’d be very happy to tell them I’m not a liberal at all…I’m not comfortable with those people. Saturday Evening Post, June 1953 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] I say this not because I believe Christianity is a weapon in the present world struggle, but because I believe religion itself is at the root of the struggle, not in terms of the physical organizations of Christianity versus those of Atheism, but in terms of Good versus Evil, right versus wrong… Our minds, like the headlines of our newspapers, are intent upon the present and future conflicts of armed might, and upon the brutal, physical side of that ominous war upon which we have bestowed the strange epithet “cold”. We tend to forget the moral and spiritual issues which inhere in the fateful encounter of which the physical war is but one manifestation. We tend to forget those ideals and faiths and philosophical needs which drive men far more intensively than military and economic objectives. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Commencement Address, Assumption College, June 3, 1955[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] But in “the stern encounter”, in the moral struggle, religion is not simply a weapon- it is the essence of the struggle itself. The Communist rulers do not fear the phraseology of religion, or the ceremonies and churches and denomination organizations. On the contrary, they leave no stone unturned in seeking to turn these aspects of religion to their own advantage and to use the trappings of religion in order to cement the obedience of their people. What they fear is the profound consequences of a religion that is lived and not merely acknowledged. They fear especially man’s response to spiritual and ethical stimuli, not merely material. A society which seeks to make the worship of the State the ultimate objective of life cannot permit a higher loyalty, a faith in God, a belief in a religion that elevates the individual, acknowledges his true value and teaches him devotion and responsibility to something beyond the here and now. The communist fear Christianity more as a way of life than as a weapon. In short, there is room in a totalitarian system for churches- but there is no room for God. The claim of the State most be total, and no other loyalty, and no other philosophy of life can be tolerated. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Commencement Address, Assumption College, June 3, 1955[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] This administration is pledged to a Federal revenue system that balances the budget over the years of the economic cycle – yielding surpluses for debt retirement in times of high employment that more than offset the deficits which accompany – and indeed help overcome – low levels of economic activity in poor years…Debt retirement at high employment contributes to economic growth by releasing savings for productive investment by private enterprise and State and local governments.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Special Message to the Congress: Program for Economic Recovery and Growth, February 2, 1961[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] If it is in the public interest to maintain an industry, it is clearly not in the public interest by the impact of regulatory authority to destroy its otherwise viable way of life. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Special Message to the Congress on Regulatory Agencies, April 13, 1961[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] While government economists can point out the necessity of increasing the rates of investment, of modernizing plant and productivity, while Washington officials may urge responsible collective bargaining and responsible wage-price decisions, we also recognize that beneath all the laws and guidelines and tax policies and stimulants we can provide, these matters all come down, quite properly in the last analysis, to private decisions by private individuals. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Address Before the United States Chamber of Commerce on Its 50th Anniversary, April 30, 1962[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] We want prosperity and in a free enterprise system there can be no prosperity without profit. We want a growing economy and there can be no growth without the investment that is inspired and financed by profit. We want to maintain our natural security and other essential programs and we will have little revenue to finance them unless there is profit. We want to improve our balance of payments without reducing our commitments abroad, and we cannot increase our export surplus, which we must, without modernizing our plants through profit…In short, our primary challenge is not how to divide the economic pie, but how to enlarge it. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Address Before the United States Chamber of Commerce on Its 50th Anniversary, April 30, 1962[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 12. This administration intends to cut taxes in order to build the fundamental strength of our economy, to remove a serious barrier to long-term growth, to increase incentives by routing out inequities and complexities and to prevent the even greater budget deficit that a lagging economy would otherwise surely produce. The worst deficit comes from a recession, and if we can take the proper action in the proper time, this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. That is the right kind of tax cut both for your family budget and the national budget…Every dollar released from taxation that is spent or invested will help create a new job and a new salary. And these new jobs and new salaries can create other jobs and other salaries and more customers and more growth for an expanding American economy. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Radio and Television Report to the American People on the State of the National Economy, August 13, 1962[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

AS I SAID - he rocked - and wasnt progressive.
A great traditionalist who sought religion and freedom.

Regardless of sins - his ideas showed our freedoms then and i wish we would follow suit now.

A REAL DEMOCRAT - before they went liberal and became traitors to this country. ..and freedom.

 

[Michie]

There are always the few - who are clueless.



AS I SAID - he rocked - and wasnt progressive.
A great traditionalist who sought religion and freedom.

Regardless of sins - his ideas showed our freedoms then and i wish we would follow suit now.

A REAL DEMOCRAT - before they went liberal and became traitors to this country. ..and freedom.

I'm pretty clueless on WWII in certain areas. But there was a lot of Nazi sympathizers not only in the US but all over the globe.

As far as Kennedy. He was pretty conservative. He would not recognize his party today. Nor would Kennedy be considered a democratic liberal today by his party. They would not recognize him either.

 

[abysmul]

I'm pretty clueless on WWII in certain areas. But there was a lot of Nazi sympathizers not only in the US but all over the globe.

As far as Kennedy. He was pretty conservative. He would not recognize his party today. Nor would Kennedy be considered a democratic liberal today by his party. They would not recognize him either.

Very true.

Oh, my father (who is still alive today) was born in 1921 and served in the Army during WWII. He can attest to the fact that there was a global spread of Nazi sympathizers, and for certain many in the US.

 

[Michie]

Very true.

Oh, my father (who is still alive today) was born in 1921 and served in the Army during WWII. He can attest to the fact that there was a global spread of Nazi sympathizers, and for certain many in the US.

I've had a few people I have met while taking communion to the nursing home that gave me earfuls of these things that occurred during WWII with the public. We always hear of Vietnam vets not getting a welcome home, etc. But WWII vets dealt with that as well along PTS & really no treatment at the time for it.