Religious Person v. drag person charged with sex crimes against children.

[rambot]

To keep a good eye on the scope of the problem, I'd like to see this thread reporting incidents of sexual misconduct against minors so we can see the data.

Florida Deacon Sentenced for Producing Child inappropriate content in Church

I don't think we want to be going too deep in history (my first quick research shows the last drag queen attack reported was last year summer)....so please share here anything you hear about from the beginning of February 2023 until, let's say end of April. Let's compare which demographic is a greater propagator of sex crimes against children during this time frame.


JUST to be clear: I would only be sharing christians IN CHURCH LEADERSHIP positions. There are probably many other christians who perpetrate but are not in leadership positions. I think that would also give a slightly better comparison of populations; There are a LOT of Christians in American but FAR fewer of those people are in leadership positions.

 

[Say it aint so]

The Catholic Church, the LDS, the Southern Baptists, as leadership all individually have acknowledged actual sexual abuse problems of minors to the point they wrote mission statement type plans to redress them. Draq queen groomers, unlike actual abuse of minors within the orgs I mention, just isn't a thing.

 

[rambot]

Tampa youth pastor, foster parent arrested for human trafficking, deputies say

Another one. Still on day one.

 

[rambot]

The Catholic Church, the LDS, the Southern Baptists, as leadership all individually have acknowledged actual sexual abuse problems of minors to the point they wrote mission statement type plans to redress them. Draq queen groomers, unlike actual abuse of minors within the orgs I mention, just isn't a thing.

I 100% agree. I am hoping some data puts the issue into context. The idea that we can forgive these Christians for doing awful things but we don't even give "drag queens" the benefit of the doubt and CALL Them a label that doesn't fit them.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

First page of google search "pastor arrested for child" filtered by Last Month:

Local Pastor Arrested for Child Molestation

A Georgia pastor and and conservative political activist was arrested Friday morning on charges of child molestation and aggravated child molestation.

www.actionnewsjax.com

Wyandotte pastor charged with child sexual abuse

MIAMI, Okla. – A warrant was issued Monday for a Wyandotte pastor. Fred McCoy Gammon, Jr, 42, of Miami, is charged in Ottawa County District Court with child sexual abuse. A $35,000 warrant was als…

www.fourstateshomepage.com

Mobile County pastor and convicted sex offender arrested again

Pastor Cederick McMillian, who is a registered sex offender, is accused of working at a daycare and being too close to two Mobile County Public Schools while pr

mynbc15.com

https://www.thedailybeast.com/flori...ith-408-counts-of-child-inappropriate content

Pastor arrested for rape, molestation | Baptist Press

A former Southern Baptist pastor is jailed in Lake Charles, La., after allegedly raping and molesting a pre-teen girl for two years, the Calcasieu Parish Sheriff's Office (CPSO) reported June 17.

www.baptistpress.com

First page of google search "drag queen arrested for child" filtered by Last Month:

0. Not 1 story of a drag queen molesting a child. The closest was a drag queen who was accused of molesting a child 19 years ago who was murdered by a family member of the child and his arrest. And that was in the UK.

 

[Lost Witness]

First page of google search "pastor arrested for child" filtered by Last Month:

Local Pastor Arrested for Child Molestation

A Georgia pastor and and conservative political activist was arrested Friday morning on charges of child molestation and aggravated child molestation.

www.actionnewsjax.com

Wyandotte pastor charged with child sexual abuse

MIAMI, Okla. – A warrant was issued Monday for a Wyandotte pastor. Fred McCoy Gammon, Jr, 42, of Miami, is charged in Ottawa County District Court with child sexual abuse. A $35,000 warrant was als…

www.fourstateshomepage.com

Mobile County pastor and convicted sex offender arrested again

Pastor Cederick McMillian, who is a registered sex offender, is accused of working at a daycare and being too close to two Mobile County Public Schools while pr

mynbc15.com

https://www.thedailybeast.com/flori...ith-408-counts-of-child-inappropriate content

Pastor arrested for rape, molestation | Baptist Press

A former Southern Baptist pastor is jailed in Lake Charles, La., after allegedly raping and molesting a pre-teen girl for two years, the Calcasieu Parish Sheriff's Office (CPSO) reported June 17.

www.baptistpress.com

First page of google search "drag queen arrested for child" filtered by Last Month:

0. Not 1 story of a drag queen molesting a child. The closest was a drag queen who was accused of molesting a child 19 years ago who was murdered by a family member of the child and his arrest. And that was in the UK.

tried the same search on other search engines and found a few hits for drag queens from last year..
nothing from this year.....LORD willing there won't be anymore Period.

 

[essentialsaltes]

JUST to be clear: I would only be sharing christians IN CHURCH LEADERSHIP positions.

Does crimes against children include possession (as opposed to production as in the OP) of 'child inappropriate contentography'?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I think this is a case where, in efforts to inject a political ideology, extraneous abuses against children are being propped up to try to justify one position over another, and claim that "you're not allowed to take objection to XYZ, because this other ideology you're involved in has had more people who associate with it who have gone rogue and abused children"

Which is the point that's trying to be expressed here right? That since drag performers molesting kids is less prevalent than it happening from members of the clergy, that religious people aren't allowed to take objection to drag performances for kids... or did I misinterpret the tone or intent of the thread?


I wouldn't be surprised if burlesque performers and cocaine dealers have a lower molestation rate than the clergy. However, that wouldn't invalidate any & all concerns/objections about "Burlesque story hour" or "Cocaine story hour".

...and in the context of "grooming" as people call it (which seems to be the main concern with regards to drag performances tailored for children), that's not synonymous with "being abused against your will".

 

[rambot]

I think this is a case where, in efforts to inject a political ideology, extraneous abuses against children are being propped up to try to justify one position over another, and claim that "you're not allowed to take objection to XYZ, because this other ideology you're involved in has had more people who associate with it who have gone rogue and abused children"

You're not allowed to bare false witness and it looks gauche if your organization then frequently has perpetrators.

Which is the point that's trying to be expressed here right? That since drag performers molesting kids is less prevalent than it happening from members of the clergy, that religious people aren't allowed to take objection to drag performances for kids... or did I misinterpret the tone or intent of the thread?

Close. The point is that statistically speaking drag performances are safe. Not against any one thing but just safe.
Unqualified, safe.


And they are permitted to not take their kids to them...and they are allowed to express discomfort of course.

They are not permitted to stop them from happenning; to physically threatening or intimidate anyone involved.

I wouldn't be surprised if burlesque performers and cocaine dealers have a lower molestation rate than the clergy. However, that wouldn't invalidate any & all concerns/objections about "Burlesque story hour" or "Cocaine story

I'm not sure that comparison, really is valid. Do you? Doing cocaine in front of children is as bad as larping a woman in front of them?

 

[essentialsaltes]

...and in the context of "grooming" as people call it ...

Being a youth pastor or religious leader or other authority figure is an excellent platform for grooming.

 

[Say it aint so]

I think this is a case where, in efforts to inject a political ideology, extraneous abuses against children are being propped up to try to justify one position over another, and claim that "you're not allowed to take objection to XYZ, because this other ideology you're involved in has had more people who associate with it who have gone rogue and abused children"

Which is the point that's trying to be expressed here right? That since drag performers molesting kids is less prevalent than it happening from members of the clergy, that religious people aren't allowed to take objection to drag performances for kids... or did I misinterpret the tone or intent of the thread?


I wouldn't be surprised if burlesque performers and cocaine dealers have a lower molestation rate than the clergy. However, that wouldn't invalidate any & all concerns/objections about "Burlesque story hour" or "Cocaine story hour".

...and in the context of "grooming" as people call it (which seems to be the main concern with regards to drag performances tailored for children), that's not synonymous with "being abused against your will".

One can have concerns about Draq queen children book reading hours at libraries. In fact it seems enough concern to the point states are literally passing legislation to prevent that from happening. Yet from those same groups who see a legislative need to to protect children from those book readings, not one legislative concern come the actual and factual abuses from church organizations. To say drag performers molesting children is merely less prevalent as juxtaposed to the long and deep rooted issues the church has with abuse is a understatement.
This is the definition of grooming:

2. the action by a pedophile of preparing a child for a meeting, especially via an internet chat room, with the intention of committing a sexual offense.​

Given what grooming means drag queens grooming children just isn't a thing. On the other hand too many church orgs have in fact committed atrocities that are exactly what grooming means.

Let's face it, drag queen grooming is just another "election fraud" "CRT" "socialism" made up boogieman for the sake of political power.

 

[Lost Witness]

Don't believe those men that were arrested were detained for what they were accused of,
they've been detained merely because they are servants of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

 

[rjs330]

How many drag queens are there in America anyway?

 

[Say it aint so]

Don't believe those men that were arrested were detained for what they were accused of,
they've been detained merely because they are servants of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

The Southern Baptist Council put out a list of known abusers.

 

[rjs330]

I don't think this is even a thread that's worth looking into. There are far too many unknowns and no way to really assess the reality of situations. I would assume that if any pastor or youth pastor gets charged with a child sex crime is going to be splashed all over the news. But who really is looking for drag queens who get arrested for it? Do we have any way of finding out if anyone arrested for child sex crimes or child inappropriate content is a drag queen? It's not like it's anything that is put on arrest paperwork.

I mean how many plumbers have been charged? Electricians? Doctors? Teachers? How many full time employed drag queens are there? Would you put that on your arrest record? I don't know.

I'm just saying we are not going to get any kind of accurate picture here.

 

[rambot]

I don't think this is even a thread that's worth looking into. There are far too many unknowns and no way to really assess the reality of situations. I would assume that if any pastor or youth pastor gets charged with a child sex crime is going to be splashed all over the news. But who really is looking for drag queens who get arrested for it?

What are you serious?
You guys. Everyone, and there a LOT of y'all, how think that they are the REAL danger to children. THEY scour the news and look and wait.

I am only sharing people CHARGED and CONVICTED. I know folks were reticent to say that Trump was a rapist because he was never convicted and that allowed some people to still keep supporting him. But are you NOW saying that people CONVICTED of raping and hurting children "well there's no way to know the details"?

Do we have any way of finding out if anyone arrested for child sex crimes or child inappropriate content is a drag queen? It's not like it's anything that is put on arrest paperwork.

Yes. There's another reason I didn't include BLANKET Christians. Because a "christian" isn't really going to be a signifier or identifier in a news story but someone in a position of power in the church would be. "Christian" and "Drag Queen"; neither would show up.

A job as a youth pastor would not be splashed on the news either......unless he was USING that to gain ACCESS To children....

So, by any reasonable application of "the rules" we would be waiting to see examples of folks in drag using their "access to children" to predate on them. And that would be our comparison to youth pastors....not people who do drag for fun on the weekends preying on kids on weekdays in their day clothes.

I mean how many plumbers have been charged? Electricians? Doctors? Teachers? How many full time employed drag queens are there? Would you put that on your arrest record? I don't know.

I'm just saying we are not going to get any kind of accurate picture here.

Wait what? And now you're saying "full time employed drag queens"? What does their employment status have to do with anything?
Yes you are. You just don't like it because it doesn't fit into the absurd and slanderous stereotype that drag people are trying to hurt children.

 

[rambot]

Don't believe those men that were arrested were detained for what they were accused of,
they've been detained merely because they are servants of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

Call me a prude but I think it is distasteful to defend a person who was convicted in a court of law of producing inappropriate contentographic content with a child.

 

[rambot]

Side bar to drag hating Christians:
How do you think it looks to nonchristians (both those who hate us and those on the fence), that you make slanderous accusations against transpeople and then they can trot out hundreds of church LEADERS (to say nothing of common christians, of which there are...MANY who do it too), who perpetrate the very thing you accuse them of?


How useful are those words? How beneficial for the advancement of God's kingdom will the hypocrisy look?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Don't believe those men that were arrested were detained for what they were accused of,
they've been detained merely because they are servants of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

Right, right, "servants of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY" are 100% safe. Any suspicions against them are malicious and ungodly lies. There's a recipe for no possible disaster ever.

 

[Pommer]

Right, right, "servants of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY" are 100% safe. Any suspicions against them are malicious and ungodly lies. There's a recipe for no possible disaster ever.

Unqualified immunity?