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Religion and Moral Status of the Pre-born

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Akita Suggagaki, Jun 27, 2022.

  1. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    That is the issue.

    My suspicion is that these folks only favor religion-based laws when it their religion.

    Are they really saying that we should accept Sharia in say a suburb of Detroit because a majority in that town agree?
     
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  2. durangodawood

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    Politically wound up Americans. Sorry Ive been vague about this.

    But I could see other previously docile Americans, who are less theocratically inclined, getting politically riled up in light of recent events.
     
  3. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    No I’m saying that excuse only accounts for 1% of the murders.
     
  4. Belk

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    OK, thanks for the clarification.
     
  5. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge I can't believe what I'm hearing...

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    You're personal feelings and opinions about the issue, while completely valid, do not in any way rebut or invalidate the bodily autonomy of the woman, and that's the issue.

    The State can not compel a person to donate or use any part of their body to keep another person alive without their consent even after they are dead. Personhood is irrelevant to that. Do you have a refutation for that?
     
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  6. KCfromNC

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    Hey look, poisoning the well. When a post starts with personal attacks like that rather than a reasonable argument, it doesn't inspire much confidence.
     
  7. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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  8. mark46

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    For tens of thousands of years, our species has used the equivalent of a morning after pill. Now, we want these folks charged with murder. BTW, can you prove that a fetus was killed after the use of a morning after pill? Women don't automatically become pregnant.
     
  9. Akita Suggagaki

    Akita Suggagaki Well-Known Member

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    Are you kidding? After January 6th you say this about "the left"?
     
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  10. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Why are you surprised?
     
  11. renniks

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    What I mean it's it's not necessary to even have a religion to have moral issues with abortion.
     
  12. Halbhh

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    A person I knew very well had a health directive that in the case of complete mental incapacitation or something like that, that no special mechanical life support would be continued after several doctors had concurred that the complete irreversible incapacitation of the brain had happened. In accord with their directive, in time, the mechanic ventilator was withdrawn, and so then the body perished.

    But of course she didn't perish.

    Her real fate will be decided by the Lord. She may live forever in Eternal Life.

    Do you think that withdrawal of the ventilator after the brain had mostly died was the right thing? (it's not up to us, of course, and we aren't judging them, but rather talking in terms of what we ourselves think/believe)

    The thing is, are we really who we are once consciousness is entirely gone through brain death, irreversibly? Some like me would think the death of the brain also means the soul has already left the body, so that what remains is only flesh without a soul any longer.
     
  13. Blade

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    Saw a picture woman just the other day "Heavily pregnant woman writes ‘not yet a human’ across her belly". She looked like she was ready to give birth. One would think this is open and shut but God help those that are against life. This age of grace is not forever.
     
  14. BNR32FAN

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    The state can prosecute parents for neglecting to take care of their child.
     
  15. Akita Suggagaki

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    So you see it as a religious issue.
     
  16. jayem

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    The Dodds v. Jackson decision was based on legality, not morality. The court didn’t declare that the unborn must be considered as persons, and that elective abortion is the moral equivalent of murder. The ruling was that the legality and regulation of abortion (which reflects the moral status of the unborn) is a matter for the states to decide. It’s crystal clear that nothing in the Constitution requires that the unborn must be recognized nationwide as persons in either a legal or ethical sense.
     
  17. zippy2006

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    True, but renniks is correct that it is a moral issue rather than a religious issue. That abortion is a moral issue does not entail that court cases related to abortion are determined on moral grounds. The moral issue of abortion is addressed by the Constitution or by legislation, and the courts merely interpret such things. In theory, no American jurisprudence is moral in nature.

    False.

    Abortion is Unconstitutional | John Finnis
     
  18. jayem

    jayem Naturalist

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    The link largely invokes Blackstone's Commentary. Which relates to English law, and is irrelevant to American jurisprudence. If the unborn are persons, with 14th Amendment rights, then why did SCOTUS not include this in their opinion? As of now, the personhood iquestion is left to the states.

    And honestly, Dodds was a monumentally stupid decision. It has settled nothing, and will only lead to more conflict and division.
     
  19. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    How do we care for all life?
     
  20. Watchman1

    Watchman1 Senior Veteran Supporter

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    The bottom line to all this is simply that a number of women want to engage in free sex without having to bear the consequences of pregnancy and bringing an unwanted child into the world.
     
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