Rejection of evolution correlates with racism

[Subduction Zone]

On paper, yes.

Do you realize that the Bible is just a collection of words "on paper".

I know, you do not like reality. I can't help you with that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ya -- the KKK comes to mind.

But academia does too, when they get on my case for not owning slaves with respect to [their interpretation of] the Bible.

It's like they want to start another civil war or something.

(And I could go on about the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Witch Hunts, all passed off in colleges as Biblically-motivated atrocities done with respect to the Bible.)

The KKK, the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Witch Hunts are all Christian in their origin. What did Jesus say about judging by their fruits?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Ya -- the KKK comes to mind.

But academia does too, when they get on my case for not owning slaves with respect to [their interpretation of] the Bible.

It's like they want to start another civil war or something.

(And I could go on about the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Witch Hunts, all passed off in colleges as Biblically-motivated atrocities done with respect to the Bible.)

Yes, I get what you're saying. I've encountered a few academics like that. One whom I knew personally was an avowed Communist and a Che advocate, with an axe to grind against her former Christian faith.

But just keep in mind that not all academics are like that.

 

[AV1611VET]

(And I could go on about the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Witch Hunts, all passed off in colleges as Biblically-motivated atrocities done with respect to the Bible.)

The KKK, the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Witch Hunts are all Christian in their origin. What did Jesus say about judging by their fruits?

Thanks for the QED.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you realize that the Bible is just a collection of words "on paper".

I've heard words to that effect.

 

[AV1611VET]

But just keep in mind that not all academics are like that.

You're right of course.

There are exceptions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks for the QED.

Oh my! Dishonesty. Why did you ignore the part that was uncomfortable for you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've heard words to that effect.

It is your claim.

The difference is that we have evidence for our claims. What do you have for your "words on paper"?

 

[Bradskii]

Even if it was literally true and I knew it to be so, does it follow that I need to give an account of my recognition of this understanding to other people in order to demonstrate that I'm a "morally" inclined individual rather than a punked out sociopath?

You don't have to. There's no compulsion. But if you thought omnicide was justifiable then I can't see that you could claim anything else could be deemed unjustifiable. Literally anything goes. And the very best that could be said about it would be 'Gee, there must be something that makes it morally correct but, I dunno, I just don't know what it is'.

And that will be the justification for any atrocity: 'I'm certain it's what God wants'. So I don't have a problem with God's sense of morality. My problem is with those who will accept anything that they think His sense of morality will allow.

 

[AV1611VET]

What do you have for your "words on paper"?

Their Author.

 

[AV1611VET]

My problem is with those who will accept anything that they think His sense of morality will allow.

If God wants the credit, then I'll happily give it to Him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Their Author.

Their author appears to be just men. There is no indication of anything else.

 

[AV1611VET]

Their author appears to be just men.

Go higher.

 

[Bradskii]

Suit yourself.

I take it you don't believe Jesus walked on water.

Does my belief that He give you the chills as well?

Did you just compare Jesus walking on water with drowning the entire planet? Yes...you just did.

And therein lies the problem with your position. You treat it as just a story. A story where the facts and the evidence can be twisted pretzel-like to justify your belief.

They say that one death can be a tragedy, but a million is just a statistic. And you seem to have no concept of what it is you claim happened. You seem to be totally unaware of the sheer terror of what you believe happened. The absolute horror of what it entailed. And the morality of the act doesn't seem to register. 'Hey, there must have been a good reason for it, so let's move on'.

But if killing every man, woman and child is somehow justifiable to you, then literally anything is justifiable to you.

And that's what is chilling.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you seem to have no concept of what it is you claim happened. You seem to be totally unaware of the sheer terror of what you believe happened.

2 Corinthians 5:11a Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

Incidentally, I don't suppose God gets any credit for warning them for over a century, does He?

I mean, if you're going to tell the story, tell the whole story; not just the ending.

I'm tired of hearing fake news.

 

[Bradskii]

If God wants the credit, then I'll happily give it to Him.

I'm sure that will form part of your defence. You were just following (His) orders. But it's not so much that it could be used as a defence against commiting an atrocity that worries me. It's that it can be used as an excuse to do so.

 

[AV1611VET]

You were just following (His) orders.

Which were what, specifically?

Let's see if you know the whole story, and not just the ending.

What were those orders to "me"?

 

[Bradskii]

2 Corinthians 5:11a Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

Incidentally, I don't suppose God gets any credit for warning them for over a century, does He?

I could ask you to justify that with some biblical quotes. But as there aren't any, you are stuck with quoting Corinthians which was written centuries after the flood was meant to have happened. Not that warning some people to behave allows one to drown a complete planet in any case. As I said, you seem to have no concept of what it entailed. To the extent that you think 'Hey, He did warn them (and He didn't)' could be used as justification.

So...no. He gets no credit. And neither do you.

 

[Bradskii]

Which were what, specifically?

Let's see if you know the whole story, and not just the ending.

What were those orders to "me"?

Anything that you do that you believe He has commanded you to do. We have determined that anything is justified so you have no reason not to obey. You can't say 'This can't be a command from God because He's asking me to do something terrible'. You have already said that drowning countless men, women and children is justified so what on earth could He order of you where you'd think it was unjustified?

 

[AV1611VET]

Anything that you do that you believe He has commanded you to do.

Why are you bringing ME into this?

This is between you and God.

I'm just showing you you don't know the whole story ... even though there's more written about it than you're concentrating on.

In other words, you're just fast-forwarding to the end of a LONG story.

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.