Refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19 is a ’sin’ & anti-vaxxers must spend their life repenting

[ArmyMatt]

Earliest news out of South Africa is that it is a "blessing" and not dangerous.

For the life of me, I cannot believe that God would forgive us at this moment. But, I will take it. His ways are not ours.

we’ll see. God knows what He’s doing with us.

 

[Dorothea]

All this stuff can be true, because these individuals are actually connected to people on Athos, but it is a shame they do not take more seriously the need for proper citations, ascriptions, and etcetera because it all looks like a big game of telephone.

Yes.

 

[Andrei D]

Earliest news out of South Africa is that it is a "blessing" and not dangerous.

For the life of me, I cannot believe that God would forgive us at this moment. But, I will take it. His ways are not ours.

Regarding the news coverage, people on the interwebs are freaking out about this factoid:

 

[Joanna-Innokentovna]

You make a good case for why you've chosen to be vaccinated. But, I wonder, doesn't your position depend on a presupposition that the vaccine is safer, in the long run, than the pandemic? There haven't been any mid or long term studies done...the Bible, as well as the Church (with the exception of our contemporary leaders) has always taught us that we shouldn't trust such a world...

Your logic is that because "the world" that produced a new treatment for an emergent disease is the same world that legalized abortions, it is enmity against God to be vaccinated. "The world" also produces cancer treatments, life saving medications that many people rely on to survive, and yes, cars, planes, telecommunications (including the internet). Yours is a straw man argument.

But I am not here to argue. I came to this thread to share about why I am vaccinated, my personal direct experience with an abreaction to medication (a stroke at age 21), how my grandmother was orphaned during the last pandemic and forced to marry at 15, and that I believe we have a moral obligation to prevent suffering and death as far as we are able.

I am disabled and stress exacerbates my conditions, so I respectfully offer that you have declined vaccination, I have received vaccinations, and there is little sense in creating further excitement or harm over decisions that have already been made. God bless you.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Regarding the news coverage, people on the interwebs are freaking out about this factoid:
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okay, that’s pretty funny

 

[truefiction1]

Your logic is that because "the world" that produced a new treatment for an emergent disease is the same world that legalized abortions, it is enmity against God to be vaccinated. "The world" also produces cancer treatments, life saving medications that many people rely on to survive, and yes, cars, planes, telecommunications (including the internet). Yours is a straw man argument.

But I am not here to argue. I came to this thread to share about why I am vaccinated, my personal direct experience with an abreaction to medication (a stroke at age 21), how my grandmother was orphaned during the last pandemic and forced to marry at 15, and that I believe we have a moral obligation to prevent suffering and death as far as we are able.

I am disabled and stress exacerbates my conditions, so I respectfully offer that you have declined vaccination, I have received vaccinations, and there is little sense in creating further excitement or harm over decisions that have already been made. God bless you.

Disabled?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

real life...??

Family of 4 Tests Positive for COVID, Father and 12-Year-Old Daughter Intubated in ICU: 'Really Scary'

 

[prodromos]

real life...??

Family of 4 Tests Positive for COVID, Father and 12-Year-Old Daughter Intubated in ICU: 'Really Scary'

No early treatment. All overweight. Almost a guaranteed outcome.

 

[truefiction1]

Your logic is that because "the world" that produced a new treatment for an emergent disease is the same world that legalized abortions, it is enmity against God to be vaccinated. "The world" also produces cancer treatments, life saving medications that many people rely on to survive, and yes, cars, planes, telecommunications (including the internet). Yours is a straw man argument.

But I am not here to argue. I came to this thread to share about why I am vaccinated, my personal direct experience with an abreaction to medication (a stroke at age 21), how my grandmother was orphaned during the last pandemic and forced to marry at 15, and that I believe we have a moral obligation to prevent suffering and death as far as we are able.

I am disabled and stress exacerbates my conditions, so I respectfully offer that you have declined vaccination, I have received vaccinations, and there is little sense in creating further excitement or harm over decisions that have already been made. God bless you.

I'm not arguing either. But your incorrect definition of my motive for not being vaccinated is the only straw man that I can see. The Church has always taught that we may not support the murder of children, and that if we choose to benefit from scientific research that is conducted using bodily cells stolen from murdered children, we show our approval to those who do such things. This Tradition is my motivation. I hope this clarifies things a bit.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No early treatment. All overweight. Almost a guaranteed outcome.

probably. However, even so, the two that went on vents were not vaccinated...that is what I found interesting. Could mean something or not. I mean the 2 on vents may have received a higher viral
load...or other such factors that may have a worse outcome.

 

[rusmeister]

Your logic is that because "the world" that produced a new treatment for an emergent disease is the same world that legalized abortions, it is enmity against God to be vaccinated. "The world" also produces cancer treatments, life saving medications that many people rely on to survive, and yes, cars, planes, telecommunications (including the internet). Yours is a straw man argument.

But I am not here to argue. I came to this thread to share about why I am vaccinated, my personal direct experience with an abreaction to medication (a stroke at age 21), how my grandmother was orphaned during the last pandemic and forced to marry at 15, and that I believe we have a moral obligation to prevent suffering and death as far as we are able.

I am disabled and stress exacerbates my conditions, so I respectfully offer that you have declined vaccination, I have received vaccinations, and there is little sense in creating further excitement or harm over decisions that have already been made. God bless you.

Hi, and welcome!
I'd suggest that you take the time to read through the thread. Oversimplifications have already been addressed, and most agree that there are nuances to both sides of the argument. IMPORTANT: I restrict the use of "argument" to intelligent disagreement that is interested in arriving at the truth; and use the good old-fashioned English word "quarreling" to refer to disagreements where one or both sides are not interested in hearing the other side. So you certainly don't wish to quarrel, and may or may not wish to argue intelligently, but you DO have an opinion you are taking the trouble to express. But I can understand why some may not be interested if it is not evident that you have considered what those you disagree with have already said here.

We agree with a lot of what you say. I think NO one here would deny that we should strive to prevent suffering and death as far as we are able, and suggesting otherwise would itself be a straw man argument. The journey for the honest majority involves discovering HOW it is that anyone could have the temerity to disagree with them. A refusal or utter lack of desire to discover that is what is called "bigotry", which is essentially thinking "Those that disagree with me are merely stupid or crazy; they cannot possibly have intelligent reasoning (however mistaken) behind their position".

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

People who take the 3rd dose of the covid vaccine are doomed and demonic. Alrighty then.....

I hope no inquirers come into this thread and are pro-vaccine....

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Quite honestly, why has this thread been able to thrive for so long? Why haven't our mods here shut it down? I've never felt farther apart and seen more quarreling in TAW than in this thread. We used to get into big tussles over evolution 5 or 6 years ago, and they'd get shut down after a while for good reason. I would be one of the naughty instigators as well! I wish this would go quietly in that not-so-good night. Mods, anyone? Can we get back to 'normal' threads?

 

[prodromos]

Can we get back to 'normal' threads?

Welcome to the new normal Gurney.

 

[Dorothea]

because this subject is an ongoing, daily situation. Updates happen every day, sometimes every hour.

 

[Dorothea]

Welcome to the new normal Gurney.

I've seen the news on those people detained at Howard Springs, Australia's covid camps -- think it was three people, all of whom have tested negative for covid -- "escaped" from the camp (really? as if they're convicts). Unreal. This all must be so unsettling and unbelievable for you, John.

 

[truefiction1]

Being introduced to points brought to bear on an issue that one hasn't considered is one good reason for continuing dialogue. That stops happening if a thread is shut down.

 

[prodromos]

I've seen the news on those people detained at Howard Springs, Australia's covid camps -- think it was three people, all of whom have tested negative for covid -- "escaped" from the camp (really? as if they're convicts). Unreal. This all must be so unsettling and unbelievable for you, John.

Yeah, the present elected leader of the Northern Territory is making Victoria's Premier Dan Andrews look like an amateur.

 

[Dorothea]

Yeah, the present elected leader of the Northern Territory is making Victoria's Premier Dan Andrews look like an amateur.

 

[Antoni]

Quite honestly, why has this thread been able to thrive for so long? Why haven't our mods here shut it down? I've never felt farther apart and seen more quarreling in TAW than in this thread. We used to get into big tussles over evolution 5 or 6 years ago, and they'd get shut down after a while for good reason. I would be one of the naughty instigators as well! I wish this would go quietly in that not-so-good night. Mods, anyone? Can we get back to 'normal' threads?

I would like to thank the moderators for allowing debate on an extremely important issue which is being censored on the internet, namely about whether this vaccine is safe or effective in ending a pandemic.

Respectfully gurney, you don’t have to click on the thread or contribute. I welcome your thoughts but don’t welcome your attempts at stifling debate. This thread is about providing information for people before they make an important decision on their health. A decision which everyone is being forced to make. I am not surprised that some, even many, may not like to hear about what the media is trying to hide. The truth can often times be hard to swallow. But as long as I see dangers and I can warn others, I will, so God help me. He will judge and it’s His judgment I am most concerned about.

In fact there are countless articles I find and don’t post here because I know it can be distressing to people who have already received the jab. So I am sensitive to that and try my best at giving just enough to cause the reader to do their own investigation and research. And I am not saying that people have to put their trust in me. I am a faceless poster on the internet. Rather, I urge others to not so easily put their trust to the talking heads on the tv but rather do their own research.