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Refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19 is a ’sin’ & anti-vaxxers must spend their life repenting

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Antoni, Jul 5, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    The vaccine issue is just one thing you use. Then there was the Zionist comment and Peter of all things! Now you say "in other words" while before you said it was MY vaccine. Now you say "from the tone of my voice". Wow you know everything about me and what I think! You guys even drove Gurney out of here. Again, if someone does not believe you or may disagree with any of what you say or your Nostradamian interpretations, you go after them. So no, I won't discuss anything regarding myself with you, vaccinated or not. That is not the point. It would seem anything anyone discusses with you and takes a position even slightly opposing yours for discussion's sake you will use it against them in some way, then twist things out of context, make connections where there are none and imply only you hold the truth. Maybe you should read what Rus wrote again. I mean look at what you wrote, it just proves my point!

    "Maybe the problem isn't that there really is no connection between the various pictures I sometimes "paint" with my words. I'm not working mathematically. I'm working artistically and poetically, and even Theologically perhaps, and it could be that some individuals lack a capacity to see beyond the metaphor into the truth to which they point. If you continue with such assertions, I'll surely begin to realize more thoroughly what St. Paisios was referring to with other things that he had indicated was the case with some people."
     
  2. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    I think there are many people in the same position. Especially those un-vaccinated on death's door in the hospital who were against the vaccine and now have to consider their choice when it is now too late. So there could be guilt that one did not get vaccinated and also guilt if one did for the reasons you gave. It just shows our humanity. Is there sin we can not be forgiven from, whether intentional or unintentional if repented of??
     
  3. Antoni

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    I treated a once healthy 14 year old girl for shingles today. First time in my career I saw a young teenager with shingles. Guess what my first question was when I saw it? Guess what her answer was?

    and she had the vaccine months ago. NOT normal for a 14 yo girl to have shingles unless her immune system has been completely messed up.

    In imitation of Metropolitan Neophytos of Morphou, I urge those who have not been vaccinated to pray for those who have been vaccinated. And likewise, those who have been vaccinated to pray for those who haven’t. We will need to help each other in the weeks and months ahead.
     
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  4. truefiction1

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    I don't intend to attack your position. I've already stated my convicted decision on the matter, and highlighted everything that went into that decision. There isn't anything left for me to do now but live or die with the consequences of that decision. The connections or correlations I drew are real. I know what makes them real. Many others won't. If this were not the case, then nobody would ever be persecuted on account of decisions formed on connections that many others aren't able to see. In my case the persecution has already begun, and it will probably get much worse, whether I like it or not. So be it.
     
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    Only blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
     
  6. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    What persecution? Many people believe delusions as being real. Many people out there twist bible verses (or the sayings of Saints) to mean whatever they want or need them to mean. I don't have a problem with WHAT you believe, it is how you represent it and how you go after people who may disagree with it. It is not really what you say, it is how you say it, and imply that people that can't see it are blind (or sinful) and only you (or others who agree with you) know the truth of the matter...
     
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  7. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    However, it is not impossible and may not have anything to do with the vaccine...but yes, we all need prayers and to pray.
     
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    Other doctors have reported similar cases. Over here in Australia, the government has just recently run an ad campaign to educate people about shingles because oddly enough there has been a huge rise in cases over the last year.
     
  9. truefiction1

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    The truth of the matter is going to come out soon enough. It's not like I haven't already been exposed to practically every potential argument or point of view already, and it's not like I don't know how many of those who have them live, what their habits are, what they center their lives on, what they mostly care about, etc. So, if I do in fact know the people and can see the place they're coming from then I know the people and can see the place they're coming from. You act like this ability doesn't exist in anyone, especially in me. You act as though discerning what's in someone's heart and mind is impossible through social media channels. But I believe that it is very possible. Often, a person will be making an argument from a personal perspective and they will state a thing that gives away their true inner motives, and disclose their current level of spiritual attainment. I usually refrain from alighting those motives for the sake of a person who would be injured to have such motives pointed out to them. But the motives are clear nonetheless. I'm not boasting, because such boasting would be of no usefulness to myself or anyone else, but I have even had to contend with demons that were attacking me through other people, even members of my own household and Church. On many occasions I've been acutely aware of the presence of those aerial entities and the influence that they were directly exerting on the people through whom the attacks were coming. People do see such things, and also see the passions at work in the people which provide for the demonic control of their thoughts and actions. Perhaps you deem me incapable of having this sort of sight. Fair enough. You likely don't even know what my path has been, nor know anything about my prayer life or about my ascetical practice, so how would you know what I'm capable of knowing about people, let alone about whole societies?

    In sum, I understand what you're saying about me. I don't think you know to what extent I can know things about people and about the times. I've no hard feelings over this. It's perfectly understandable.
     
  10. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    There was a rise in cases well before the vaccine came out. New cases since the vaccine may be related or not.
     
  11. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    See, again you prove my point...and you don't know what my path has been even though you imply you do. Boasting, yes you do but in a sly way. If you do as you say then you would not be saying or implying things regarding me. You WOULD know but you don't...It's perfectly understandable. :)
     
  12. Justin-H.S.

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    My dad got shingles after being vaccinated as well. No prior medical history or in the family tree.
     
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    I don't recall implying knowing your path. Once, however, I couldn't help but notice notice how short you were with me when you deemed me to be evidently wrong about something in the distant past, and how altogether unwilling you were to listen to any explanation I desired to offer to clarify my statement, and how arrogantly or offensively you had come across. To be frank, your behavior was absolutely rude. But, again, I don't know a darned thing about you, so... just be aware how well I remember things that you do in fact write, and the impression that I received of you at that time. Perhaps we're not so different as we think. But regardless of any of these things, we must not go the way of the world, and you know darned well that we mustn't.
     
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  14. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    How long after and did he get the vaccines 3-4 weeks apart? The vaccine could have impacted and weakened his immune system. This is why I always thought a booster that fast after the initial vaccination could pose problems in some people. Could be the vaccine or just coincidence. I don't think shingles is genetic (runs in the family tree)...
     
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  15. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Maybe you were wrong? If you were acting like the present, maybe I became tiresome of it? :)
     
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    Shingles is caused by the chicken pox virus, Varicella zoster.
     
  17. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Yes it is, hence my comment that it is not a genetic malady passed on through the family line.
     
  18. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    I may have articulated something in a careless manner while attempting to explain to some heterodox about the nature of Salvation, which caused you to completely take what I had said out of the context in which I was saying it, but I wasn't really wrong in the gist of what I was getting at. Interestingly, my statement had to do with the Church's position on the use of food offered to idols. Evidently, this must have been a sensitive issue with you at that time if you saw fit to interject your thoughts into a discussion you'd previously had no involvement with. Ironic, since this is pretty much precisely the reason that I now insist that we must not consume these available vaccines on account of their ties to idolatry? But now you won't admit any connection of them to idolatry, except perhaps for the J&J brand. So it would seem we're engaged in the same sort of argument now, except I appear to be the moralist in this case, while you, on the other hand, seem to be of the attitude that "to the pure, all things are pure".
     
  20. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    6 myths about shingles, a virus that can strike at any age and at any time
     
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