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Refunding the Police is happening.

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by hislegacy, May 11, 2021.

  1. hislegacy

    hislegacy At the great Pyramids

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    Cities are now moving to refund the Police after the rise in crime.

    Minneapolis Moves to 'Refund' Police | The Crime Report

    Minneapolis has approved $6.4 million in additional funding requested by the police after residents requested more officers in the wake of an increase in violent crime and slower department response times,
    Portland mayor looks to re-fund police with $2M request as homicides spike – but council support unclear

    Portland mayor looks to re-fund police with $2M request as homicides spike – but council support unclear

    After slashing its police budget by $16 million last year, Oregon's largest city has seen 20 homicides so far in 2021 -- compared to just one at this same point last year
    LA defunded the police but now needs millions to refund the police

    What were the officials in LA thinking or were they thinking? In July of 2020, they defunded the police by $150 million. By November, murders soared to 300.
    Calls to refund police as gangs take over NYC

    New York City (NYC) business owners are calling on the city’s mayor, Bill de Blasio, to refund the police, claiming gangs have taken over the city. Ever since de Blasio joined the leftist mob calling for police to be defunded, the city as seen a 79% increase in murders and 127% increase in shooting over last year.
     
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  2. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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  3. Fantine

    Fantine Dona Quixote Supporter

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    Defunding or refunding should never be an issue. Allocating funds to help police deal with the mentally ill better, for example, is money well spent.
     
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  4. ralliann

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    Why should police deal with the mentally ill? Why can't mental health providers be funded to help them?
     
  5. Nithavela

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    The mentally ill might be armed.
     
  6. ralliann

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    Why aren't they assigned a mental health worker?
     
  7. Fantine

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    Mentally ill people are sometimes homeless. They may live with family and become unmanageable because they don't take their meds.
    My friend's son was picked up acting out with Tourettes.He was never charged. He has a family and a problem.
    Miami-Dade County has very effective and cizt effective program. Learn about it on Al Franken's podcast.
     
  8. Oneiric1975

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    EVERYONE in this country "might be armed". It's kind of our "thing".
     
  9. SummerMadness

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    Isn't this the proper use of funding? Police funding for fighting crime while defending efforts that do not support that goal (i.e., defund efforts to militarize the police or change their roles so they're not spending a great deal of time harassing and/or ticketing drivers).

    The problem with the framing of this thread is that very few people support removing or abolishing police. They exist, but so do MAGA white supremacists, and they so not predominate the group.
     
  10. Oneiric1975

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    Would that we had a society that valued mental healthcare. Oh that would be wonderful! Instead the mentally ill are given few options and forced to jump through hoops just to get the help needed.

    I have a family member who is highly functional but has an anxiety disorder that requires rather specialized treatment. He has good insurance but insurance makes it 10X harder to get the help needed than it does to facilitate getting the help. Now imagine a poor person who may be homeless or without a social support system.

    Like it or not mental health in the USA in the 21st Century is not a high priority for us.
     
  11. ralliann

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    Yes I am aware of this. I have a mentally ill sibling. He finally got the help he needed when he commited a crime becoming a danger to himself and others. Thats really the problem imo. Not enogh help for the families of the mentally ill, or the mentally ill themselves.
    I am not getting the point of this. My brother has a family as well. He just wasn't able to get the care he needed, nor his family.
    Effective how? I am glad and hope it's good.
     
  12. ralliann

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    Exactly. I have a family member who has a sever disorder. It was hell for everyone to get him what he needed. He had to become criminal to do so. A real shame.
     
  13. Pommer

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    You know that the mentally ill don’t always time their crises to coincide with “office hours”, right?
     
  14. ralliann

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    Well aware of that. So why not 24 hr care? Why not fund what the mentally ill need?
     
  15. Arcangl86

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    Have mental health professionals on call outside of standard business hours.
     
  16. ralliann

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    Yes. It should go further than that as far as changes to mental health services funding though.
     
  17. Fantine

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    I meant that although her son has had a union job fif twenty five years and is married to someone who also has mental health issues and 3 children, there are times when he just has a collapse. My friends hold things together by being hands on grandparents, a 24 hour a day safety net.

    Miami Dade has police crisis management teams who are dispatched in these situations. They also train regular police in dealing with these crises.

    By taking this step, the mentally ill are helped and many millions of dollars have been saved keeping them out of jail.
     
  18. Theridiidae

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    Why not have the police trained for both?

    Instead of a few months of training, why not a 2-3-year program that includes:

    Core areas of mental health - de-escalation, what to look for, etc
    Core areas of psychology - Mental health disorders, addiction, etc
    Core areas of social work - Understanding the system
    Core areas of medicine - Life-saving measures, medical ailments, and medications and how it can present
    Core areas of law - Knowing and understanding basic laws, people's rights, etc
    Core areas of social science - Covering areas of race, systemic racism, sexism, homophobia, etc
     
  19. renniks

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    Who would have guessed? Only anyone with a brain!
     
  20. SimplyMe

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    Because the government doesn't want to pay to help them. In many ways, our current homeless issues started 40 years ago, when the government quit funding mental health facilities. The people who previously were getting treatment for their issues were suddenly on the street, frequently not stable enough to get employed or hold a job. The fact is, the US is terrible on mental health, with many jobs providing little mental health assistance in worker's health plans.
     
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