Reformation heroes overview

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,


31 day journey of the reformation heroes:


Here We Stand | Desiring God


In Him,


Bill

 

[Root of Jesse]

All misguided by the first ones, sad to say...What they, and most people don't realize is that the Church has been in a state of constant reformation for 2000 years. It is true that, at the time of the Reformation, it was still in need of reformation, but the Church was already in Reformation. As can be seen in modern day Catholic Church, it takes decades for changes to manifest themselves. If you look at what Vatican I and II did, and see where we stand in relation, you'll see.

 

[BBAS 64]

All misguided by the first ones, sad to say...What they, and most people don't realize is that the Church has been in a state of constant reformation for 2000 years. It is true that, at the time of the Reformation, it was still in need of reformation, but the Church was already in Reformation. As can be seen in modern day Catholic Church, it takes decades for changes to manifest themselves. If you look at what Vatican I and II did, and see where we stand in relation, you'll see.

Good day, Jesse

Classic modern day roman church dripple...

Sad indeed!

In Him,

bill

 

[Phil 1:21]

Good Day,


31 day journey of the reformation heroes:


Here We Stand | Desiring God


In Him,


Bill

Thank you. We are very blessed indeed for the work our Lord has done through these men.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Good day, Jesse

Classic modern day roman church dripple...

Sad indeed!

In Him,

bill

What's sad is that Luther had no idea what he was talking about, and had no intention of ripping the Church apart. He, a Catholic, found a Catholic doctrine in a Catholic book.

Justification by Faith

Reform in the Church and in Society

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So, instead of following men in any group,
follow Jesus.

He is the GOOD SHEPHERD, and is willing to teach and train the disciples who ARE HIS. (perhaps not anyone ongoing willingly and willfully in any sin, including idolatry or roman church dribble? anywhere) ...

 

[Root of Jesse]

So, instead of following men in any group,
follow Jesus.

He is the GOOD SHEPHERD, and is willing to teach and train the disciples who ARE HIS. (perhaps not anyone ongoing willingly and willfully in any sin, including idolatry or roman church dribble? anywhere) ...

We do follow Jesus and his representative, the Pope. To whom Jesus gave the power to bind and loose, as a prime minister.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We do follow Jesus and his representative, the Pope. To whom Jesus gave the power to bind and loose, as a prime minister.

That's what tradition says, and what you are always told, and thus what you post reflects that.

Look in the Bible! Read the Bible - it definitely does not agree with what you posted nor with what you were (apparently) taught.

 

[BBAS 64]

We do follow Jesus and his representative, the Pope. To whom Jesus gave the power to bind and loose, as a prime minister.

Ya the pope told you that... did he not?

Were you taught, do not believe every thing you hear and about half of what you see?

 

[Root of Jesse]

That's what tradition says, and what you are always told, and thus what you post reflects that.

Look in the Bible! Read the Bible - it definitely does not agree with what you posted nor with what you were (apparently) taught.

Of course, you assume that I'm a cradle Catholic, and that is false. I used to be Evangelical, and came to see the truth of Peter's call to lead the Church IN THE BIBLE. I wasn't taught it, either, I was led to it by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Ya the pope told you that... did he not?

Were you taught, do not believe every thing you hear and about half of what you see?

No, the Holy Spirit told me that. And I believe 100% of what the Holy Spirit says.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

So, instead of following men in any group,
follow Jesus.

He is the GOOD SHEPHERD, and is willing to teach and train the disciples who ARE HIS. (perhaps not anyone ongoing willingly and willfully in any sin, including idolatry or roman church dribble? anywhere) ...

Yet the entire mentality you espouse with this post is traceable to the reformation Sola Scriptura principle, showing your indebtedness to men.

Try as you might, you can't escape following the thoughts of other men and women. Your advice is quite literally impossible to follow.

As for reformation heroes there are certainty many on the Catholic side, such as Ignatius of Loyola or Cardinal Sodeleto and for whom I have much more affinity than any of the Protestant heroes. I do not find the examples of the reformers laudable, particularly in their role of creating the confused state of Protestantism today which has no unity and a few common principles which continue to divide it to this day.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="Ignatius the Kiwi, post: 71850120, member: 326057"]Yet the entire mentality you espouse with this post is traceable to the reformation Sola Scriptura principle, showing your indebtedness to men.

Try as you might, you can't escape following the thoughts of other men and women. Your advice is quite literally impossible to follow.[/QUOTE
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RIGHT!
One step to knowing the TRUTH as JESUS says. (not as men say). As it is written: with men it IS IMPOSSIBLE, ......

go figure.... since it is impossible with man, don't trust man.... seek YHWH !

with YHWH all things are possible. Salvation is in Him, not in man....

Oh, sorry- it is not traceable except to the Father in heaven, and Scripture.
Whatever
you know about anything else is not related.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

QUOTE="Ignatius the Kiwi, post: 71850120, member: 326057"]Yet the entire mentality you espouse with this post is traceable to the reformation Sola Scriptura principle, showing your indebtedness to men.

Try as you might, you can't escape following the thoughts of other men and women. Your advice is quite literally impossible to follow.[/QUOTE
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RIGHT!
One step to knowing the TRUTH as JESUS says. (not as men say). As it is written: with men it IS IMPOSSIBLE, ......

go figure.... since it is impossible with man, don't trust man.... seek YHWH !

with YHWH all things are possible. Salvation is in Him, not in man....

Oh, sorry- it is not traceable except to the Father in heaven, and Scripture.
Whatever
you know about anything else is not related.

You can't escape trusting men in reading the bible. You have to trust a Church which was composed of men that preserved the text to the current day for instance. If all men are untrustworthy then the scripture is untrustworthy since it was written and preserved by men. If all men are untrustworthy, everything you type which is not a direct quote from the scripture is a lie which must be disbelieved.

"don't trust man.... seek YHWH !"

This is not found in the bible and could not be applied within a biblical context since many were required to trust in certain men, Paul, the Prophets and the rest of the apostles. Imagine this standard being applied by the Pagans when Paul confronted them. Why should they believe in this man Paul and his words? He's just a man. But obviously they should believe in his writings right? It's absurdity. Since these words are not found in the bible, per your standard, they are lies and are of the devil and should not be believed.

Now you will make the argument that these words follow the spirit of the scripture and can be trusted, that they aren't of yourself but are of the scripture. Yet I think it presumptuous on your part to go beyond the written word and speak your own words rather than simply quoting the bible and leaving it for others to read. Why do we need your man made commentary on things? Is the bible by itself not enough?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You can't escape trusting men in reading the bible.

Jesus Praised His Father
that The Father in heaven reveals the truth about everything concerning Salvation in this life and in the life to come,
the Father Who Grants Freely from Heaven understanding of Scripture,
including that Yeshua is HaMashiahc, son of YHWH in the flesh (yes, only by revelation can this be revealed, from the Father in heaven)...
TRUST YHWH?
With men it is impossible.

And yet, I did.
With YHWH, all things are possible.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

And yet, I did.

I will note that these words are man made and therefore are lies.

Jesus Praised His Father
that The Father in heaven reveals the truth about everything concerning Salvation in this life and in the life to come,
the Father Who Grants Freely from Heaven understanding of Scripture,
including that Yeshua is HaMashiahc, son of YHWH in the flesh (yes, only by revelation can this be revealed, from the Father in heaven)...
TRUST YHWH?
With men it is impossible.

Except you who is the only man with a pure enough mind to understand the truth no one else does? Why is your mind so able to understand the word and everyone else's is not? Are you an exception to the clause that men cannot be trusted?

 

[JM]

Who were the proto Protestants, the first Protestants...the Eastern Orthodox denomination or the Roman Catholic?

 

[prodromos]

Who were the proto Protestants, the first Protestants...the Eastern Orthodox denomination or the Roman Catholic?

Look at what was taught before the schism and compare to what is taught by each a century after the schism. See who changed and who remained the same.
Though in retrospect, I don't think proto Protestant is really the correct term to describe either. One remained steadfast in the faith while the other took a different path.

 

[JM]

Look at what was taught before the schism and compare to what is taught by each a century after the schism. See who changed and who remained the same.
Though in retrospect, I don't think proto Protestant is really the correct term to describe either. One remained steadfast in the faith while the other took a different path.

Fair enough.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Who were the proto Protestants, the first Protestants...the Eastern Orthodox denomination or the Roman Catholic?

Catholics and the Orthodox are proto Christian.