Reconciling the scriptures - the saints.

[Douggg]

Before the rapture/resurrection

I think we have to consider that Jewish believers in Jesus are part of the church, along with gentile believers, equally - up until the time of the rapture/resurrection forthcoming. One body as the saints of the church.

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After the rapture/resurrection

Then, Jews who come to Christ after the rapture/resurrection, as well as gentiles, would be considered the great tribulation saints, but not the church saints - as the church will have been taken from the world.

The difference would be those Jews, believers in Jesus, would be the great tribulation saints of Israel. While the gentiles would be the great tribulation saints of the nations. Equal in Christ. But not universally - "the church" saints.

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Jesus Returns with 10,000's of His saints

"the church" as the bride of Christ will be the (raptured/resurrected) saints returning with Jesus in their glorified eternal bodies in Revelation 19.

The martyred great tribulation saints will receive their glorified eternal bodies at the beginning of the millennium, in Revelation 20:4-6.

The non-martyred great tribulation saints will receive their glorified eternal bodies at the Great White Throne Judgement.

 

[Marilyn C]

Before the rapture/resurrection

I think we have to consider that Jewish believers in Jesus are part of the church, along with gentile believers, equally - up until the time of the rapture/resurrection forthcoming. The saints of the church.

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After the rapture/resurrection

Then, Jews who come to Christ after the rapture/resurrection, as well as gentiles, would be considered the great tribulation saints, but not the church saints - as the church will have been taken from the world.

The difference would be those Jews, believers in Jesus, would be the great tribulation saints of Israel. While the gentiles would be the great tribulation saints of the nations. Equal in Christ. But not universally - "the church" saints.

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Jesus Returns with 10,000's of His saints

"the church" as the bride of Christ will be the (raptured/resurrected) saints returning with Jesus in their glorified eternal bodies in Revelation 19.

The martyred great tribulation saints will receive their glorified eternal bodies at the beginning of the millennium, in Revelation 20:4-6.

The non-martyred great tribulation saints will receive their glorified eternal bodies at the Great White Throne Judgement.

Hi Douggg,

The Church is the Body of Christ and NOT the Bride. That revelation was known previously and is Israel. The symbol is also used for the `city.`


So who comes with Jesus when He returns in great power and great glory?

When Jesus was on earth the disciples asked Him to tell them about what would happen to Israel & the nations at the end of this age. Jesus told them quite clearly about the tribulation & persecution Israel would endure but that He would come again with His mighty angels to deliver Israel & judge the nations of the world.

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory. And He will send His angels..` (Matt.24: 30 & 31)


`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)


`the Son of Man comes in His glory, & in the glory of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)


`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)


These Holy angels are the army who come with Jesus when he brings vengeance upon the ungodly.

`Then I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse. And He who sat on him was called faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war....And the armies in heaven clothed in fine white linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.` (Rev. 19: 11 & 14)

This is also the description on the angels coming out of the temple in heaven. They symbolically had garments of linen, white and clean. This is to distinguish them as holy angels and not demonic angels.


White horses - represent glory and power.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

When Jesus was on earth the disciples asked Him to tell them about what would happen to Israel & the nations at the end of this age. Jesus told them quite clearly about the tribulation & persecution Israel would endure but that He would come again with His mighty angels to deliver Israel & judge the nations of the world.

I was thinking this passage in Jude...

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

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The saints and the mighty angels will be coming with Jesus.

 

[keras]

I was thinking this passage in Jude...

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

The Greek word 'hagios', can mean either saints of angels.

Jesus does NOT Return accompanied by humans, Revelation 19:14 says they are the armies of heaven.
Try to get something right Dougggg!