Reasons not to vote Democrat!

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So many misunderstand or know little about what the United States has been doing.

Yes, there was complication with the current Bush administration over WMD to pass the vote to invade Iraq but the reason was just either way. Baathist Iraq, Sadaam Hussein's dictatorship, was one of the worst in recent history. He was stockpiling conventional weapons, buying and making them with money Iraq made from selling oil that was supossed to be spent for food and medical care for the Iraqi people, "Food for Oil." Sadaam defied the agreement the UN and original coalition from Desert Storm made with him to let him off the hook after he tried to invade Kuwait, an innocent country, in 1990-91. Before and after that, thousands of Iraqis who showed, or were accussed of showing, opposition to the despotic Baath party governtment, were persecuted and prosecuted to death.

After over another decade, the US military has helped Iraq become a democracy where people have the chance to embrace a life of modernity. To do this requires fighting the remaining terrorists running around, which we have been very successful at. Soldiers, more than fight terrorists, criminal, and bandits, feed the Iraqi and Afghan peasants, homeless and needy. Soldiers provide medical care and supplies to millions of ill and injured people who need it. The US military trains Iraqis to build up a modern democratic government, legislature, law enforcement body, and military to defend its self against the remaining terrorists and terrorists that come in from nearby countries. These terrorists are stubborn people who need to be dealt with. They do not understand that they can have and live their religion and culture without the use of violence and oppression of democracy. Life can exist for them freely without killing and destroying innocent people and property.

I am joining the US Army in the next two months because I weant to become a part of all the good the United States does. I pity those people who maintain their liberal Democrat partisan convictions, especially Christians, that prevent them from seeing reality. Condoning abortion, homosexuality, isolatinaism, non-intervention, market-socialism, the removal of private enterprise/organization rights, the removal of local and state government and increase of big central governemnt and, all the like with central federal legislation is not the right direction for life in a Christian environment. Not bad just for Christian culture but, for any religious culture.

I hope many Americans do some homework and reconsider before voting Democrat. Obama, for instance, speaks like he is the perfect politician for the American people and politically tied up when in fact that is not true. If one like Obama were to run the US, many Americans would be alienated of their personal rights for the reasons I stated in this thread. Is he a talented public speaker, yes. Is he for democracy, no, please see the reasons I stated in this thread.

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Hector,

You wrote:
"I am joining the US Army in the next two months because I weant to become a part of all the good the United States does. I pity those people who maintain their liberal Democrat partisan convictions, especially Christians, that prevent them from seeing reality."

I'm not a Christian and therefore I have no problem with your intend of joining the military.
However, if you don't want to be a fake Christian you need to live by the standards established by Jesus Christ who teaches to love your enemies, do good to them which hate you. Bless them that curse you, and pray for those who do you injury. Luke 6:27-28

Jesus also said: "...all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Matthew 26:52

I simply can't envision Jesus Christ riding in a battle tank
or shooting it out with adversaries.

Good luck to you and don't stop learning.

Kutte
 
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Speaking as a veteran myself, I disagree with you. Bush has been terrible for the military.

A little reminder from history:
Body armor shortage
Humvee armor shortage
2 front war
excessive troop rotations
firing General Shinseki for not telling him what he wanted to hear
"show of force" patrols
Threatened to veto bill over troop payraise and widow death benefit raise
Failed to meet healthcare standards for disabled vets
Outsourcing of military to private contractors
Failure to strategic and operational goals

Well you get the picture. I can't imagine a president more hostile to the troops than this one.
 
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Setting aside all the mis-information about Desert Storm, one thing caught my eye. The claim of a modern democracy in Iraq. Article 2 of the Iraqi Constitution states Islam is the Offical religion. How modern can a theocracy be? I think joining the Army will be a good move. We all need to be disillusioned at some point and it will definitely curb these partisan diatribes.
 
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RealDeal,

As to your comment:
I think joining the Army will be a good move. We all need to be disillusioned at some point and it will definitely curb these partisan diatribes.


I agree. Let the kid join the military and be send to Iraq.
It will give him a chance to learn something and enrich his overall outlook on life in this world.

Kutte
 
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Setting aside all the mis-information about Desert Storm, one thing caught my eye. The claim of a modern democracy in Iraq. Article 2 of the Iraqi Constitution states Islam is the Offical religion. How modern can a theocracy be? I think joining the Army will be a good move. We all need to be disillusioned at some point and it will definitely curb these partisan diatribes.

There are democracies that have official religions. Argentina or Chile is Roman Cathoilc for instance. Morocco and Saudi Arabia are allies of ours and they are Muslim. We let Iraq be Muslim to respect their culture.

Islam is as good of a religion as any other one is. Extremists set bad examples that the media tries to mainstream.

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I respect you, I partly agree.

I want to throw out:
Outsourcing of military to private contractors is helpful for the economy because facilities at base and road repairs, for instance, would take up much of the military budget. So, the government allows contractors to come in and let these things go into a seperate budget so the military does not go broke.

Clinton had a General fired. So did Turman, Lincoln too. It happens...

I sympathize with you because all this civil service at military posts looks strange to veterans. Ten years ago, we did not have that. I am conservative and understand such grievances. However, I am neo-conservative and concur with Bush's status quo.

A General recently made a statement regarding the lack of armor for our vehicles.

HM

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Speaking as a veteran myself, I disagree with you. Bush has been terrible for the military.

A little reminder from history:
Body armor shortage
Humvee armor shortage
2 front war
excessive troop rotations
firing General Shinseki for not telling him what he wanted to hear
"show of force" patrols
Threatened to veto bill over troop payraise and widow death benefit raise
Failed to meet healthcare standards for disabled vets
Outsourcing of military to private contractors
Failure to strategic and operational goals

Well you get the picture. I can't imagine a president more hostile to the troops than this one.
 
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Those who want Barack Hussein Obama to be President are the closest ones to the misunderstanding :)

HM

The above is true, and you may be a lot closer to it then you believe.
 
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Those who want Barack Hussein Obama to be President are the closest ones to the misunderstanding :)

HM
I was speaking of the context of your OP as you have some false statements and some rather superficial understanding surrounding why we are in Iraq as well as how Saddam ended up in Kuwait. There are stated reasons, then there is reality.

BTW, the alternative with McCain would perhaps mean a even more overstretched military and deeper reccession then the 12 billion a month we are spending for a war of choice now.

All Barack would do is make them expedite their political proccess that Petraeus said the other day they are failing at and make them do the security work as their most useful Army sits on the sidelines and watch us used as fodder.

....and it does nothing for the terrorist issue.
 
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I respect you, I partly agree.

I want to throw out:
Outsourcing of military to private contractors is helpful for the economy because facilities at base and road repairs, for instance, would take up much of the military budget. So, the government allows contractors to come in and let these things go into a seperate budget so the military does not go broke.
It is by no means helpful to the economy.
Going in to debt does not help the economy.
Cost+ abused contracts with no oversight does not help the economy.
Most of the money is going to a company based in Dubai.

It just feeds the military industrial complex we were warned about.
 
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So many misunderstand or know little about what the United States has been doing.

And you are in the position to inform of course. ;) Please proceed.

Yes, there was complication with the current Bush administration over WMD


Quite the euphemism you have going there. Complications....things that make say hmmmmmm ;)

Baathist Iraq, Sadaam Hussein's dictatorship, was one of the worst in recent history. He was stockpiling conventional weapons, buying and making them with money Iraq made from selling oil that was supossed to be spent for food and medical care for the Iraqi people, "Food for Oil." Sadaam defied the agreement the UN and original coalition from Desert Storm made with him to let him off the hook after he tried to invade Kuwait,

Ok I am with this part.

an innocent country,

Is there really anything such thing as an innocent country?

. Before and after that, thousands of Iraqis who showed, or were accussed of showing, opposition to the despotic Baath party governtment, were persecuted and prosecuted to death.

True

After over another decade, the US military has helped Iraq become a democracy where people have the chance to embrace a life of modernity
.

Over what decade? :scratch: Really though they had a lot more modernity before we invaded and it will be long time before they have real stable modernity.
To do this requires fighting the remaining terrorists running around, which we have been very successful at. Soldiers, more than fight terrorists, criminal, and bandits, feed the Iraqi and Afghan peasants, homeless and needy. Soldiers provide medical care and supplies to millions of ill and injured people who need it. The US military trains Iraqis to build up a modern democratic government, legislature, law enforcement body, and military to defend its self against the remaining terrorists and terrorists that come in from nearby countries. These terrorists are stubborn people who need to be dealt with. They do not understand that they can have and live their religion and culture without the use of violence and oppression of democracy. Life can exist for them freely without killing and destroying innocent people and property.


I picture the above with the Star Spangled Banner playing a huge flag waving in the background while you recite this.

While I don't disagree with some of the ideas the Iraqi people need to step up tot he plate. US citizens should not be dieing to defend a forgein land unless there is absolutely no oher way or there is a clear and imminent danger to the United States oif they do not.


I am joining the US Army in the next two months because I weant to become a part of all the good the United States does. I pity those people who maintain their liberal Democrat partisan convictions, especially Christians, that prevent them from seeing reality. Condoning abortion, homosexuality, isolatinaism, non-intervention, market-socialism, the removal of private enterprise/organization rights, the removal of local and state government and increase of big central governemnt and, all the like with central federal legislation is not the right direction for life in a Christian environment. Not bad just for Christian culture but, for any religious culture.


We liberals are the root of all evil aren't we. :p
 
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wait a second, spending more to hire private companies to work with no oversight or accountability and allowing them to deliver an inferior product is good because we can write the check from a different account? If we are worried about the military budget going over if we pay for the military action, we could always just FUND THE MILITARY.

It does go to show where the hostility for the military is coming from.
 
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#8 Have you read the Iraq Constitution? It states no law that contradicts Islam may be passed. That is no where close to a democracy and democracies arent very good as well. It is pointed out extremists paint Islam in a bad light. That is very true and one example is when the Saudi Arabian government let little girls burn to death in a school. The religious police refused to let them outside because they did have head gear on. So why is SA our ally? It's one of the worst theocracies in the world.
 
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Oops-last post about the school girls should say 'didnt have their head gear on.' Hector, i noticed in one post you claimed to be conservative and a neo-conservative. Which one? Trying to combine the two is like putting a can of corn on a Dalmation then claiming you have a corndog.
 
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I'm not a Christian and therefore I have no problem with your intend of joining the military.
However, if you don't want to be a fake Christian you need to live by the standards established by Jesus Christ who teaches to love your enemies, do good to them which hate you. Bless them that curse you, and pray for those who do you injury. Luke 6:27-28

Yeah. . .

I think even Obama has learned by now to take his spiritual advice from someone who is actually qualified to give such advice.

Jesus also said: "...all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Matthew 26:52

I simply can't envision Jesus Christ riding in a battle tank or shooting it out with adversaries.
Yet another misconception non-Christians love to hold dear. Jesus was not the weak doormat people like to think he was. He displayed anger many times (i.e. when he threw the money changers out of the temple). Can't envision him standing up for what he believed in? Try a little harder.

. . . conservative and a neo-conservative. Which one? Trying to combine the two is like putting a can of corn on a Dalmation then claiming you have a corndog.
Ha! Well some of us aren't very good at playing by the rules.
 
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What does that mean? As for Jesus and non-violence, he did overturn the table but there is nothing indicating physical harm to others. Jesus wasnt weak, and actually, his greatest displays of strength are when he needed Faith the most. Jesus wasnt a doormat but that doesnt mean physical violence is necessary.
 
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