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Real time or evo time?

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But you're making claims too --.
Scripture is scripture and science requires other sorts of evidence for it's claims. The issue is not that God says how it was, but that little man makes so called science claims that are darkly opposed to His truth, so they need to show the support for them. The state of the past they use religiously must be first shown to have existed.
 
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See? Just as I predicted, you rejected all the evidence. Well, you can just sit over there in your corner and continue to utter words that will be ignored.
I neither rejected any evidence nor did you post any.
 
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Your claims about time existing exactly the same in deep space are empty flights of fancy....
Fantasies do not make the real universe act as you want it to, dad.
27 July 2016 dad: An assertion that parallax is invalidated by fantasies about spacetime is not evidence that parallax does not work.

20 September 2016 dad: The delusion again that parallax involves a T that is time in the far universe.
Parallax is basic geometry using distance measurements from here in the Solar System !
Parallax is a low rung on the cosmic distance ladder useful for stars relatively close to us - not outside of the Milky Way and definitely not out to the "far universe"!


A basic question about physics.
20 September 2016 dad: Do you agree that if time goes faster then all speeds increase? This includes the speed of light.
This is an easily understood consequence of the definition of speed.

I do not really expect an answer because we have:
A long (34 items) list of denied science, unanswered questions, fantasies, delusion, etc. started on 4 August 2016 for dad.
 
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We have covered the following rungs on the cosmic distance ladder:
  1. Parallax (a concept that children can understand)
  2. Parallax applied to clusters of stars
  3. Secular Parallax
  4. Statistical Parallax
  5. Kinematic Distance
  6. Expansion Parallax
  7. Light Echo Distance
  8. Spectroscopic Visual Binaries
  9. Cepheid variables (high school level science)
  10. Type 1a supernova (first year astronomy students)
This is the real world, not A long (34 items) list of denied science, unanswered questions, fantasies, delusion, etc. started on 4 August 2016 for dad.

The ABC's of Distances
 
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The state of the past they use religiously must be first shown to have existed.

Then tell me it doesn't. Tell me that the Moon is in a different state than it was in the past, and that will be that.
 
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Fantasies do not make the real universe act as you want it to, dad.


The fact is that time exists here, I doubt you would argue that. Space and time here are where we take a base line for the triangular measure to a star. That measure could only be good as long as time and space and time together exist exactly the same as here. How far that may be you do not know, you assume. That is of no value.


A basic question about physics.
20 September 2016 dad: Do you agree that if time goes faster then all speeds increase?
Goes faster??? Explain? What I asked is whether time existed at all, or if it existed as we know it here in relation to space.

This includes the speed of light.
This is an easily understood consequence of the definition of speed.
No. Light has no speed per time unit unless time exists. Here on earth we know what time and space are like and how light behaves here. You only assume anything further.
 
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Then tell me it doesn't. Tell me that the Moon is in a different state than it was in the past, and that will be that.
I would like you to adrress the issues reasonably. I am not interested in last thursdayist ideas. The issue at hand is what state existed long before science existed, specifically about 4500 years ago. Anything less, like your scotch glass, or last thursday, does not deserve a reply.
 
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We have covered the following rungs on the cosmic distance ladder:
  1. Parallax (a concept that children can understand)
Science doesn't even know what time is, let alone what it is in the far universe. A child would get that much, you apparently don't.
 
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You're saying that there was no such thing as "science" 4500 years ago, and that the past has been in the exact same state only since that point?
 
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Tell me that the Moon is in a different state than it was in the past, and that will be that.
The moon, prior to the rebellion of Lucifer and his angels, would have been created pristine; that is, no impact craters or any other type of scarring.
 
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Science doesn't even know what time is, ...
20 September 2016 dad: A lie that science does not know what time is.
Time
 
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... let alone what it is in the far universe.
20 September 2016 dad: A lie that science does not know what time is in the far universe because as has been pointed out before stars in the far universe act like stars in the near universe.

If the rate of time changes (dad shows no sign of knowing what the change is!) then speed changes. That means that the speed of light, c, changes. c is involved in the physics of stars via E=mc^2 which determines how much energy fusion releases in stars to balance the pressure of gravity. Change c too much and stars cannot form .

Another example is the Type 1a supernova have light curves with the same average duration adjusted for time dilation for their host galaxy velocity. Alternately ignore SR and the change in the rate time is not the enormous amount dad wants: a supernova that takes 20 days to decay will appear to take 40 days to decay when observed at redshift z=1 (just short of 11 billion light years away).

This is the error that some young earth creationists make with a bad attempt at "science" with time was faster in the past so that they can squeeze the at least 4.6 billon years age of the Earth into 6000 years (or 10,000 years depending on the variety of YEC). Or explain how we see light travelling at c from stars over 6000 light years away (more than 6000 years old). This has been refuted by other creationists such as Russell Humphreys whose ideas have in turn been challenged by other creationists.
See Creationist cosmologies
 
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The moon, prior to the rebellion of Lucifer and his angels, would have been created pristine; that is, no impact craters or any other type of scarring.

I'm kind of curious as to why you think the moon had ANYTHING to do with Lucifer and his angels, or why you consider the mountains and craters of the moon as the result of angelic struggles.

Also, why do you think the moon isn't pristine right now? (that is, aside from human littering and exploring)
 
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I'm kind of curious as to why you think the moon had ANYTHING to do with Lucifer and his angels,
When Lucifer and one third of the angels rebelled, there was a cosmic battle that occurred, in which a lot of God's creation was ruined.

The universe bears these marks.
... or why you consider the mountains and craters of the moon as the result of angelic struggles.
What else could they be?

Even your precious science says they are meteor strikes and whatnot -- and I agree.
Also, why do you think the moon isn't pristine right now? (that is, aside from human littering and exploring)
Well, it's certainly high on my list of aesthetic objects in the universe, but in actuality the moon, the Grand Canyon, and other astronomical and geological phenomena attest to God's awful judgment on the universality of sin.
 
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The moon, prior to the rebellion of Lucifer and his angels, would have been created pristine; that is, no impact craters or any other type of scarring.

Well, that's all well and nice, but the timeline seems a little skewed -- wouldn't Lucifer & co. have rebelled before the Moon was created?
 
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Well, that's all well and nice, but the timeline seems a little skewed -- wouldn't Lucifer & co. have rebelled before the Moon was created?
I doubt it.

Ezekiel 28:13a Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
 
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