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I have never heard Mark Driscoll until I read this thread and listened to a talk by Mark titled
Mark Driscoll on Manhood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxnPgXbiva4&feature=related


Mark said something to the affect of

Quit making activities like video games as being prevalent; choosing to play video games to extreme that it affects your education, job, marriage etc and other things that you need to be doing in order to become a man.

With that very limited video information from Mark I do not see how he can be bad for young boys or men. He seems to have a passion to help boys become men and he attacks the activities that young boys/men do that take the place of getting an education, getting a good job, following Biblical principles, getting married and being a good father and husband. Mark does use an unconventional speaking style that can be construed as a challenging approach.

He said that his calling was to reach men so his concentration on boy/men does not seem out of line to me.

Isn’t Mark trying to get boys/young men to think more about and act more on what is most important in life?


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I've never read anything by the Driscoll's..maybe I should check them out.
Some of what I've read about Mark isn't bad, but if he does preach the "can't even touch your fiancee" nonsense, then I doubt I'll like what he has to say about relationships.
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I have never heard Mark Driscoll until I read this thread and listened to a talk by Mark titled
Mark Driscoll on Manhood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxnPgXbiva4&feature=related


Mark said something to the affect of

Quit making activities like video games as being prevalent; choosing to play video games to extreme that it affects your education, job, marriage etc and other things that you need to be doing in order to become a man.

With that very limited video information from Mark I do not see how he can be bad for young boys or men. He seems to have a passion to help boys become men and he attacks the activities that young boys/men do that take the place of getting an education, getting a good job, following Biblical principles, getting married and being a good father and husband. Mark does use an unconventional speaking style that can be construed as a challenging approach.

He said that his calling was to reach men so his concentration on boy/men does not seem out of line to me.

Isn’t Mark trying to get boys/young men to think more about and act more on what is most important in life?


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Thank you for posting these this is exactly what I was trying to say. =]
 
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I've never read anything by the Driscoll's..maybe I should check them out.
Some of what I've read about Mark isn't bad, but if he does preach the "can't even touch your fiancee" nonsense, then I doubt I'll like what he has to say about relationships.
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I have watched many of his sermons including all of his Song of Song series and he never once said anything like that. He and his wife both had sex before they were married they are not perfect people and never claim to be. He says boundaries are good to keep you from having sexual sin before marriage any good pastor will tell you that. But not that you can't kiss until your wedding day that is not Driscoll at all. If you look into any of his stuff I hope you enjoy it I love his preaching style and the way he connects with this generation. He speaks hard truth and that is what I like about him he doesn't mess around sin is sin and he points it out.=]
 
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But here you Go. . .

Driscoll on Video Games. . .

Video Games Aren’t Sinful, They’re Just Stupid | The Mars Hill Blog

Oh so my hobbies and the things I do to unwind are stupid. Thanks Driscoll you are totally winning my support.
Quote of Mark Driscoll
Video games are not sinful, they’re just stupid. And they’re stupid in this way: Young, particularly men, and now women are joining it, they want to get on a team, be part of a kingdom, conquer a foe, and win a great, epic battle. So they do it with their thumbs and it doesn’t even count. Nobody’s really liberated. The Taliban is not really conquered. Women are not really freed from oppression. Generations are not really changed. It’s all fake. It doesn’t count.

You want to do something? Get off the couch, unplug the electronics, give your life to Jesus, find some other guys, and do something that actually matters. Leave a legacy for women, children, generations, not just the high score on some stupid game. It’s amazing. A whole world filled with guys who want to be on a team, go to a war, defeat an enemy, and save a princess.

That’s the story of this book, the Bible.

I think Mark Driscoll could have clarified a little better. I would have said it like this; playing video games to the EXCUSION of building your spiritual life is stupid. If you can do both I see no real problem with playing video games. My guess would be that Mark is talking about people that play video games and EXCLUDE their spiritual life.

Driscoll: “Video Games are Stupid” and Other Sins of Communication
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Drew Dixon– March 8, 2011


“I actually love his main point: follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts”
Even the person (Drew Dixon) that criticized Driscoll loves Mark's main points
In what I have read so far, Driscoll’s main points are good but his method of promoting the good seems to offend some people.


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Mark Driscoll Is A Bully «

http://rachelheldevans.com/mark-dris...=Google+Reader

Driscoll can't tolerate critism

By Marsha King
Seattle Times staf reporter

After being confronted by other local religious leaders, Pastor Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church said he was sorry.

"We believe we have a meaningful and sincere apology for the inflammatory remarks he's made," said Paul Chapman, a member of People Against Fundamentalism, whose half-dozen core members are Christians. "He's pledged to change his language and tone without giving up on his theological convictions, which is fine."

When Mark Driscoll was confronted by the opposition, Mark pledged to change his language and tone. Even Mark’s opposition group, People Against Fundamentalist, stated that Mark was sincere and pledged to change his language and tone. That sounds like Mark is man enough to apologize and change; that I can admire!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/magazine/11punk-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=4
I think that Mark let his dramatic personality and style speak before thinking it out. If Mark really promoted real violence then he would have a history and record of violence. My guess is that Mark is a hyperbole type speaker.

I would take into consideration Mark’s personality and his way of trying to do what he feels God is leading him to do so that you can get an over all picture of Mark Driscoll.

At this point I would have to agree that Mark’s main goal of “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts” is a very good one! If Mark’s style, language, and tone gets a littletoo strong and offensive on some minor issues; well for me that is not too high of a price to pay to help people to “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts”
 
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There is a whole series on the book at Fuller Seminary's Burner Blog

(It Seems) Mark Driscoll Thinks Wives Are Only Good for Sex « The Burner

I expect you read this part in the 1st chapter by now?


I felt God had conned me by telling me to marry Grace, and allowed Grace to rule over me since she was controlling our sex life. … Grace was so full of shame and hurt from previous relationships that she didn’t trust that I loved her, no matter how many times I said it. She became afraid of me, and felt used as I tried to explain how she frustrated me sexually, which added to her feeling less valuable.

and this part?

Day after day, for what became years, I spent hours meeting with people untangling the sexual knots in their life, reading every book and every section of the Bible I could find that related to their needs…I had a church filled with single young women who were asking me how they could stop being sexually ravenous and wait for a Christian husband, then I’d go home to a wife whom I was not sexually enjoying. One particularly low moment occurred when a newly saved married couple came in to meet with me. I prayed, then asked how I could serve them. She took charge of the meeting, explained how she really liked her body and sex, and proceeded to take out a list of questions she had about what was acceptable as a Christian for her to do with her husband. It was a very long and very detailed list…After they left the counseling appointment to get to work on the list of acceptable activities, I remember sitting with my head in my hands just moaning and asking God, “Do you really expect me to do this as a new Christian, without a mentor or a pastor, in the midst of my marriage, and hold on for the next fifty years?”

So while he was preaching bj evangelism, and SoS strip tease, he was resenting his "frigid" wife (p 9) for not practicing what he preached.
 
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Here is a small clip from another pretty thorough book review Rachel Held Evans | Driscoll, "Real Marriage"and Why Being a Pastor Doesn't Automatically Make You a Sex Therapist

While I appreciate Mark and Grace’s honesty in admitting that they don’t “have it all together,” and while I would never expect a pastor to preach only on subjects which he or she has mastered, the fact that Mark was not only making some of his most famous (and controversial ) comments about women and sex during this difficult time in his marriage, but also providing counseling to couples, says something disturbing about the degree to which he can live in dishonesty and denial...and, perhaps, the degree to which we allow (even expect!) our pastors to do so.​
 
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So while he was preaching bj evangelism, and SoS strip tease, he was resenting his "frigid" wife (p 9) for not practicing what he preached.


I just want to make it clear that my posts regarding Mark Driscoll had nothing to do with any of his positions on sex. I have read nothing about Driscoll’s sexual attitudes and preaching.

I read some of the links on this thread that had to do with Mark’s position on video games and other activities by boys/men (nothing about sex). My posts gave Mark credit for trying to help people “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts”

I admire Mark for his attempting to help in that very important area. I make no comment about his sexual life or teachings as I have not done any research on that issue.

 
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luther, have you even listened to Driscoll's sermons, or have you just read his critics?

His statements speak for themselves. . .

I have listened to a few minutes of his sermons before I was throughly angry at him and decided to stop watching.

Quote of Mark Driscoll
Video games are not sinful, they’re just stupid. And they’re stupid in this way: Young, particularly men, and now women are joining it, they want to get on a team, be part of a kingdom, conquer a foe, and win a great, epic battle. So they do it with their thumbs and it doesn’t even count. Nobody’s really liberated. The Taliban is not really conquered. Women are not really freed from oppression. Generations are not really changed. It’s all fake. It doesn’t count.

You want to do something? Get off the couch, unplug the electronics, give your life to Jesus, find some other guys, and do something that actually matters. Leave a legacy for women, children, generations, not just the high score on some stupid game. It’s amazing. A whole world filled with guys who want to be on a team, go to a war, defeat an enemy, and save a princess.

I don't play video games because I want to leave a legacy, be on a team, go to a war, defeat and enemy, or save a non existent princesses. (Women arn't princesses just because they are women, in fact unless you are a real princess, you really shouldn't call yourself that because I find it rather insulting.)

I play video games because its something for me that I enjoy. Its a non serious way to excersise my mind, and its far more entertaining then doing something like doing math problems for the fun of it. Just like Mark Driscoll apparently enjoys ulimate fighting. The only difference is in my hobby. . . no one gets hurt. In his someone always gets hurt.

I don't cheer for violence, I don't like to see people get beat up. . . Mark apparently does.

That’s the story of this book, the Bible.


No the bible is about God's relationship for humanity and his ultimate saving act redeeming them to himself. Not fighting, not rescuing a princess, not defeating an enemy, not going to war. The only real enemy that is defeated is sin, death, and Satan and all 3 of those are defeated by Christ alone, not us.

The wars that are in the bible arn't the main point of it at all.

I think Mark Driscoll could have clarified a little better. I would have said it like this; playing video games to the EXCUSION of building your spiritual life is stupid. If you can do both I see no real problem with playing video games. My guess would be that Mark is talking about people that play video games and EXCLUDE their spiritual life.


No no Mark Driscoll said video games are stupid period. . . He doesn't say "don't get addicted". . . because you know that could be said about a lot of things. . . gambling, alcohol, sex, just about anything you could get addicted to and its clearly bad.

No Mark ment what he said, the fact that its inconvient for you has no point in the matter.

Instead of trying to make up what you would like to think Mark ment, why don't you address the comments as he stated them.

Even the person (Drew Dixon) that criticized Driscoll loves Mark's main points
In what I have read so far, Driscoll’s main points are good but his method of promoting the good seems to offend some people.


What are his main points? Too many effeminate preachers out there? Not enough guys want to get into a mixed martial arts steel cage match? His main point is that the only real men in this world are Mark Driscoll and people who act and think like Mark Driscoll. Maybe thats why there is a shortage of "real men".

When Mark Driscoll was confronted by the opposition, Mark pledged to change his language and tone. Even Mark’s opposition group, People Against Fundamentalist, stated that Mark was sincere and pledged to change his language and tone. That sounds like Mark is man enough to apologize and change; that I can admire!

Or Christian enough. Apologizing and attempting to change is a Christian practice. . . not a man practice.



I think that Mark let his dramatic personality and style speak before thinking it out. If Mark really promoted real violence then he would have a history and record of violence. My guess is that Mark is a hyperbole type speaker.

He does promite violence. . . he promotes Mixed Martial Arts, which is a very violent "sport" of almost no holds bar fighting in which the objective is to injure your opponent until he quits due to injury sustained or is knocked out. That is very violent. And Driscoll has admitted he's a big fan.

People who often speak without thinking should not be pastors.

I would take into consideration Mark’s personality and his way of trying to do what he feels God is leading him to do so that you can get an over all picture of Mark Driscoll.

At this point I would have to agree that Mark’s main goal of “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts” is a very good one! If Mark’s style, language, and tone gets a littletoo strong and offensive on some minor issues; well for me that is not too high of a price to pay to help people to “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts”

Yet another instance of "lets not worry about what he says. . . if he gets itching ears who like what he says then he's good.

Not only do people like him and understand him but his ministry is being blessed by God. He is reaching people in one of the most unchurched areas of our country that is amazing and God driven.

Just because someone can call himself Christian and attract a lot of itching ears, doesn't mean it's God driven.

Pat Robertson had a lot of itching ears listening to him and he's a false prophet.

You seem to be stuck on this "real man" thing and it is true he has a passion for the fact that boys are refusing to grow up in this country. They are staying boys for way to long and it is hurting the future of Christianity.

Actually I don't think thats the problem at all...

I think the problem is that most men do not have the ability by themselves to make enough of an income to give all these "wonderful Christian women" everything that they want. And maybe its also because these Christian women really arn't as wonderful as they are painted to be. They are caught up in commercialism and want to be treated "like a princess".

Word is they arn't actually really princesses though, but just ordinary women who think they are princesses. I'm waiting for Driscoll to inform them of this.

**For the record it took me some time but I did find a Christian wife who does not have delusions of granduer in thinking she's a princess or deserves to be treated like one.**


It is a real problem that he preaches on and sheds light on. We have boys who want to act like men but yet they are afraid to commit to a wife yet will sleep with whoever whenever that they want.

And their behavior, much like the nominally Christian women who sleep around is counter to the Christian faith. Since when is this a new thing? People seem to think that behavior outside of the Christian faith is some new thing. . . its as old as the hills.

And since when do men who are addicted to video games sleep with any real woman anyways? Seriously, if video game addiction is such a big problem, that tends to prevent men from sleeping with any woman. . . not just getting a wife.

So essentially you paint a picture of a man who a phenom of nature. He doesn't do anything but live in his parent's basement and play video games but somehow manages to get out and gets random women to sleep with him. That is truely impressive.

For the record secular women arn't terribly impressed by video game addictions either.

They are still living at home with their parents with no responsibility.

How do you know they have no responsibilty? Our economy is rough, especially on single people. Both my wife and I lived at home til we where 27 (and we married). Its not because we had no responsibility. . . its not because we didn't have jobs. . . Its because we didn't get paid enough to live on our own. . . And personally I'd take my parents over a roommate any day. I had enough of the roommate thing in college. . . it wasn't horrible, but life is a lot more stable at home.

We have a nation of wanna be men who are really little boys. Driscoll speaks on this because it is an issue in churches and in our society. These boys can not lead in churches when they are refusing to step up to the plate and grow up.

And what to you is grown up?

See here is the problem. . . Driscoll tells people they are boys because they live at home. But the reason they live at home is because they don't make enough money. Then he tells them to grow up and support a Christian wife. . . who is suppose to stay at home all of the time. Well if they can't live on their own, how can they support a wife by themselves?

Especially a wife who wants things. Lots of things.

And besides perhaps these men are taking their time about marriage because these Christian women are statistically speaking just as likely to divorce them and take half of their things on top of child support and alimony as secular women. (75% of divorce filings come from women.)

You posted his apology of all things he said sorry for what was said he is still a sinner just like we are none are perfect only Jesus. He at least had the guts to come out and say he was sorry many public figures would have just went on about their business. He did something wrong he admitted it and asked for forgiveness that is what a Christian should do.

Yes its what they should do. . . however how many times does someone have to shoot their mouth off without thinking? If it was one or 2 times it wouldn't be a big deal. But every day Mark is out shooting his mouth off about people manning up.

On top of that since when is people "manning up" the domain of a Christian preacher? See as I remember it a Christian preacher is suppose to preach law and gospel and administer the sacraments. Not wine about things like video games when they arn't sinful.

You see its not the domain of a Christian preacher to decide what hobbies are stupid, and what hobbies are good. It's only their job to teach what is sinful and what is not. See in real churchs you are allowed to have different hobbies from the preacher.

Oh and has Driscoll apologized and welcomed back into membership those people that he kicked out for disagreeing with him about the direction he was taking the church??

For the record that single incident alone is a good enough reason to not listen to Driscoll. Because real pastors deal with dissent, I know I've talked with them. Mark Driscoll throws it out.
 
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My adult son and his wife (much to my chagrin) listened to PP and were on a Driscoll kick until he put his foot so squarely in his mouth insisting that the Bible supports SAHM only and a stay-at-home-dad is a wuz who needs to repent or be excommunicated. DS' wife was raised in a more SAHD environment, and they intend for DS to be the primary child-caretaker as well (working his own PT contracting business around DIL's FT swing shifts as a PA).

My DIL pointed me to Asbury Seminary Prof Ben Witherington's Biblical response to Driscoll's claims. Husbands as Stay at Home Dads? - The Bible and Culture
 
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My adult son and his wife (much to my chagrin) listened to PP and were on a Driscoll kick until he put his foot so squarely in his mouth insisting that the Bible supports SAHM only and a stay-at-home-dad is a wuz who needs to repent or be excommunicated. DS' wife was raised in a more SAHD environment, and they intend for DS to be the primary child-caretaker as well (working his own PT contracting business around DIL's FT swing shifts as a PA).

My DIL pointed me to Asbury Seminary Prof Ben Witherington's Biblical response to Driscoll's claims. Husbands as Stay at Home Dads? - The Bible and Culture


As I pointed out in another thread that wasn't in the married's forum, the reality of life all the way up to the industrial revolution was that most people where subsistence farmers and that both the husband and the wife. . . and the sons and the daughters spent much of their time doing the farm work. There where some roles which required physical strength that the men would defacto have to do. But there where a lot of farm activties, chores, etc which didn't require a great deal of physical strength and women often did those. . . which ultimatly is "providing for the family."

Mark Driscoll and far too many Christians are caught up in industrial revolution ideas of gender roles and have read those gender roles into the bible. The reality is those gender roles as many Christians see them didn't even last 100 years. They lasted maybe from the 1880's to the 1960's. And thats because the early industrial revolution also required a great deal of physical strength so it was beneficial to hire men to do that job when/if possible. So a man's job/pay prospects where much better then a woman's.

And maybe many Christians forget this too. . . Christianity existed long before the industrial revolution.

The sad thing is that Mark Driscoll yearns for this time when "men where men". . . but if Mark Driscoll actually went back to Jesus's time he would have called the entire population effeminate, irresponsible, immature, girly men for actually letting their wives (and daughters) help them with the farm work. . .

So this time that Mark yearns for only really existed for 80 years in all of human history. And even then I'm not sure that he would have been happy.
 
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There is a whole series on the book at Fuller Seminary's Burner Blog

(It Seems) Mark Driscoll Thinks Wives Are Only Good for Sex « The Burner

I expect you read this part in the 1st chapter by now?

I felt God had conned me by telling me to marry Grace, and allowed Grace to rule over me since she was controlling our sex life. … Grace was so full of shame and hurt from previous relationships that she didn’t trust that I loved her, no matter how many times I said it. She became afraid of me, and felt used as I tried to explain how she frustrated me sexually, which added to her feeling less valuable.

and this part?
Day after day, for what became years, I spent hours meeting with people untangling the sexual knots in their life, reading every book and every section of the Bible I could find that related to their needs…I had a church filled with single young women who were asking me how they could stop being sexually ravenous and wait for a Christian husband, then I’d go home to a wife whom I was not sexually enjoying. One particularly low moment occurred when a newly saved married couple came in to meet with me. I prayed, then asked how I could serve them. She took charge of the meeting, explained how she really liked her body and sex, and proceeded to take out a list of questions she had about what was acceptable as a Christian for her to do with her husband. It was a very long and very detailed list…After they left the counseling appointment to get to work on the list of acceptable activities, I remember sitting with my head in my hands just moaning and asking God, “Do you really expect me to do this as a new Christian, without a mentor or a pastor, in the midst of my marriage, and hold on for the next fifty years?”

So while he was preaching bj evangelism, and SoS strip tease, he was resenting his "frigid" wife (p 9) for not practicing what he preached.

Did you read the book or did you copy this from somewhere? Because you are missing huge chunks of the story and that makes it read very differently stop cherry picking to try and prove a point you can't take just a piece of a writing. Especially this first chapter because it is their whole story of how they met and their struggles. You can not effectively understand what is being said here when you only take the middle and end and don't have the beginning or vice versa. You need to read the whole chapter!
 
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Here is a small clip from another pretty thorough book review Rachel Held Evans | Driscoll, "Real Marriage"and Why Being a Pastor Doesn't Automatically Make You a Sex Therapist

While I appreciate Mark and Grace’s honesty in admitting that they don’t “have it all together,” and while I would never expect a pastor to preach only on subjects which he or she has mastered, the fact that Mark was not only making some of his most famous (and controversial ) comments about women and sex during this difficult time in his marriage, but also providing counseling to couples, says something disturbing about the degree to which he can live in dishonesty and denial...and, perhaps, the degree to which we allow (even expect!) our pastors to do so.​

This is bull everything in the chapter was from years ago when they were first starting out. They got it together he got his health back he realized he was making a mistake and they fixed it. He isn't doing this now and hasn't for many many years. You people amaze me you think pastors are these perfect people they are not they make mistakes just like we do. And sometimes it takes them awhile to notice just like we do. But it doesn't make him any less a man of God nor does it mean God isn't work in his church any less. He became a pastor of his own church at a much younger age than anyone ever really has this effected him ministry and marriage. And he had many mistakes he had to learn from along the way that is human and has made him stronger now. I can respect those mistakes and the fact he is speaking about them not hiding them and acting like they never happened. Every pastor has parts of ministry that they regret or wish they would have done something else.
 
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At this point I would have to agree that Mark’s main goal of “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts” is a very good one! If Mark’s style, language, and tone gets a little too strong and offensive on some minor issues; well for me that is not too high of a price to pay to help people to “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts”

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Yet another instance of "lets not worry about what he says. . . if he gets itching ears who like what he says then he's good.


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What are you talking about? You do not seem to be reading my post.

I have been addressing one of Mark’s main points of “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts”. By the way I got this point from YOUR own link of
"Driscoll: “Video Games are Stupid” and Other Sins of Communication. "
( 4th paragraph)

How could you miss this point as I even mentioned it twice in one paragraph! I like the message of “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts” so if that is your interpretation of “…itching ears who like what he says then he's good” then I am proud of my itching ears.

When you make your accusations against me please try and relate your reponses to the specific reference that I posted.
 
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This is bull everything in the chapter was from years ago when they were first starting out. They got it together he got his health back he realized he was making a mistake and they fixed it. He isn't doing this now and hasn't for many many years. You people amaze me you think pastors are these perfect people they are not they make mistakes just like we do. And sometimes it takes them awhile to notice just like we do. But it doesn't make him any less a man of God nor does it mean God isn't work in his church any less. He became a pastor of his own church at a much younger age than anyone ever really has this effected him ministry and marriage. And he had many mistakes he had to learn from along the way that is human and has made him stronger now. I can respect those mistakes and the fact he is speaking about them not hiding them and acting like they never happened. Every pastor has parts of ministry that they regret or wish they would have done something else.

Well, I have read enough of the book in the excerpts available for free to discern that any growth has not been deep enough!

Nevertheless, I admit that I disliked him since I heard about the following (GROSS MIS)use of the portion of Scripture Peter wrote to wives in 1 Peter 3:

QUOTING MARK DRISCOLL: She [the wife] says, “I’ve never performed oral sex on my husband. I’ve refused to.” I said, “You need to go home and tell your husband that you’ve met Jesus and you’ve been studying the Bible, and that you’re convicted of a terrible sin in your life. And then you need to drop his trousers, and you need to serve your husband. And when he asks why, say, ‘Because I’m a repentant woman. God has changed my heart and I’m supposed to be a biblical wife.’” She says, “Really?” I said, “Yeah. First Peter 3 says if your husband is an unbeliever to serve him with deeds of kindness.” [Laughter from audience] How many men would agree, that is a deed of kindness. He doesn’t want tracts. Those won’t do anything. What we’re talking about here could really help. (source)

You want your man to take MD as his roll model?
Suit yourself.
I'm not interested.
 
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Bleh. He claims in his book that his wife cutting her hair was choosing "mom" over "wife" and then he made her cry because evidentially she was a terrible wife for daring to cut her "sexy" hair in favor of a hairstyle that she liked better ....

This guy must be conning people (or else, the guys are really liking the BJs and their wives have been verbally beaten down so much that they think that their function is to be a some sort of strip teasing prostitute for their spouse).

Terrible.
 
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I was told by a professional male counselor (who works with sex offenders) that the demand for BJ's and/or anal sex is symptomatic of inappropriate content use. So this generation of young men steeped in inappropriate content is going to be using the book as a sledghammer to bust through their wives' reservations "see, MD says it's good!"

I'm afraid young naive christian wives are going to be sexually abused as a result of MD's book. Once you invite the Lust monster in, it can take a long long time and much pain before it is evicted...
 
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What are you talking about? You do not seem to be reading my post.

I have been addressing one of Mark’s main points of “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts”. By the way I got this point from YOUR own link of
"Driscoll: “Video Games are Stupid” and Other Sins of Communication. "
( 4th paragraph)


I can't watch the video at this point because I mostly post during downtime at work and my work computer doesn't have sound.

How could you miss this point as I even mentioned it twice in one paragraph! I like the message of “ follow Jesus and seek to do something that counts” so if that is your interpretation of “…itching ears who like what he says then he's good” then I am proud of my itching ears.


So Ultimate fighting which Mark has admitted he's a big fan of is something that counts?

Just because someone plays a video game doesn't mean they arn't following Jesus and seeking to do something that counts.

But then again Mark's hobbies are cool and manly. . . All other hobbies are stupid, so says the great Mark Driscoll.

QUOTING MARK DRISCOLL: She [the wife] says, “I’ve never performed oral sex on my husband. I’ve refused to.” I said, “You need to go home and tell your husband that you’ve met Jesus and you’ve been studying the Bible, and that you’re convicted of a terrible sin in your life. And then you need to drop his trousers, and you need to serve your husband. And when he asks why, say, ‘Because I’m a repentant woman. God has changed my heart and I’m supposed to be a biblical wife.’” She says, “Really?” I said, “Yeah. First Peter 3 says if your husband is an unbeliever to serve him with deeds of kindness.” [Laughter from audience] How many men would agree, that is a deed of kindness. He doesn’t want tracts. Those won’t do anything. What we’re talking about here could really help.


So the wife that doesn't give sufficent OS is sinning. Wow and you know I thought that OS was a nice but not something that was biblically commanded. Leave it to Mark to find a biblical commandment for OS.

 
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