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Rapture False doctrine

Discussion in 'Baptists' started by JM, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. JM

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    More food for thought...if you like to think...and please keep in mind the theological views of the early church were diverse but not one taught the PreTrib Rapture theory. Not one 'church father' believed in a PreTrib rapture.



    Rapture Doctrine invented by John Darby in 1830 AD

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    Rapture doctrine invented by John Nelson Darby in 1830:


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    John Nelson Darby invented the false doctrine of the Rapture 1830-1833 AD and popularized it in 1850 to which it infected us today. While Morgan Edwards had also invented the doctrine in a college essay in 1744 AD, his work was isolated, forgotten and irrelevant as an etiology of the modern popularity of pre-tribulation Rapture doctrine. Darby invented the doctrine without any influence or reliance on Edwards.


    2.Morgan Edwards wrote this short essay as a paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744. After he immigrated to the USA, the essay was published in Philadelphia in 1788. It is clear that his school paper went as unnoticed as his formal publication in 1788 AD. While Edwards may in fact be the earliest person on earth to invent the pre-tribulation rapture, it is equally clear that Darby invented the same doctrine in 1830 AD and made it popular 100 years later in 1850 AD. "The distance between the first and second resurrection will be somewhat more than a thousand years.: I say, somewhat more; because the dead saints will be raised, and the living changed at Christ's " appearing in the air" (1 Thes. iv, 17); and this will be about three years and a half before the millennium, as we shall see hereafter: but will he and they abide in the air all that time? No: they will ascend to paradise, or to some one of those many " mansions in the father's house of God" (John xiv: 2), and to disappear during the foresaid period of time. ... V. That spot of earth which. Christ will make the seat of his governments Mount Zion, in Jerusalem. Jerusalem and the temple will be rebuilt, as we shall prove by and by and that temple will be the house of Christ kingdom. ... VI. The risen and changed saints shall reign with Christ on earth a thousand years. I do not mean that all will be kings; for some are to be Christ' s priests, some judges, some rulers over cities, some over his household, some over his goods, (as wee shall see anon) and some his special chorister and musicians. (Two Academical Exercises on Subjects Bearing the following Titles; Millennium, Last-Novelties, Morgan Edwards, 1744 AD, 1788 AD)

    3.Darby notes that the doctrine "popped into his head" in 1830 AD. Before this, no one had ever heard of a secret rapture doctrine.

    4.Darby is one of the founders of the "Plymouth Brethren" movement at the same time he first conceived his rapture theology. Therefore the Plymouth Brethren are inseparable from Rapture theology and always will be and should be avoided.

    5.Modern influences of Darby include Dallas Theological Seminary, Bob Jones University, Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, Jack Van Impe and Harold Camping, the Scofield Reference Bible.

    6.Darby's Rapture theology has infected almost every conservative protestant church, except for a few groups like the Churches of Christ, who rejected it as a non-Biblical doctrine and have denounced it ever since like all other man made doctrines.

    Proof Rapture was the creation of John Nelson Darby in 1830:


    1. The simplest way to prove that Rapture does not predate Darby or the Plymouth Brethren church, is the admission of the Plymouth Brethren church today in their own words: "A number of doctrines that are now widely held within evangelical circles were first discovered by the Brethren (post 1830 AD) or were promoted and propagated by the Brethren. In no particular order these include: pre-tribulational rapture, dispensationalism" (Plymouth Brethren: Theological contributions of the Brethren: FAQ #16)


    2. "The pretribulation rapture......historians are still trying to determine how or where Darby got it. . . . Possibly, we may have to settle for Darby's own explanation. He claimed that the doctrine virtually jumped out of the pages of Scripture once he accepted and consistently maintained the distinction between Israel and the church". (Timothy P. Weber, Living In The Shadow Of The Second Coming: American Premillennialism 1875-1982, 1983 AD, p 21-22).

    3. John Nelson Darby commenting on 2 Thess. 2:1-2 in 1850: "It is this passage which, twenty years ago, [1830 AD] made me [Darby] understand the rapture of the saints before- perhaps a considerable time before- the day of the Lord, that is, before the judgment of the living." (The Rapture of the Saints: Who Suggested It, Or Rather On What Scripture? William Kelly, The Bible Treasury, New Series, vol. 4, p. 314-318, quoting John Nelson Darby commenting on 2 Thess. 2:1-2 in 1850)

    4. "When the theory of a secret coming of Christ was first brought forward (about the year 1832), it was adopted with eagerness; it suited certain preconceived opinions, and it was accepted by some at that which harmonized contradictory thoughts, whether such thoughts, or any of them, rested on the sure warrant of God; written Word". (The Hope of Christ's Coming: How is it Taught in Scripture and Why?, S. P. Tregelles, p 35)


    5. "Where did he [Darby] get it? The reviewer's answer would be that it was in the air in the 1820s and 1830s among eager students of unfulfilled prophecy". (F. F. Bruce, Book Review of "The Unbelievable Pre-Trib Origin" in The Evangelical Quarterly, (Vol. XLVII, No. 1). Note: Bruce is a well known scholar who himself is a member of the Plymouth Brethren which Darby started)

    6. "Until brought to the fore through the writings and preaching and teaching of a distinguished ex-clergyman, Mr J. N. Darby, in the early part of the last century, it [rapture theology] is scarcely to be found in a single book or sermon through a period of sixteen hundred years". [230-1830 AD] (Harry Ironside, The Mysteries Of God, 1908).


    7. "About 1830 a new school arose within the fold of Premillennialism that sought to overthrow what, since the Apostolic Age, have been considered by all premillennialist as established results, and to institute in their place a series of doctrines that had never been heard of before. The school I refer to is that of 'The Brethren' or 'Plymouth Brethren,' founded by J. N. Darby." (Alexander Reese, The Approaching Advent of Christ, page 18)

    8. Robert Cameron: "Now, be it remembered, that prior to that date, no hint of any approach to such belief can be found in any Christian literature from Polycarp down.... Surely, a doctrine that finds no exponent or advocate in the whole history and literature of Christendom, for eighteen hundred years after the founding of the Church - a doctrine that was never taught by a Father or Doctor of the Church in the past - that has no standard Commentator or Professor of the Greek language in any Theological School until the middle of the Nineteenth century, to give it approval, and that is without a friend, even to mention its name amongst the orthodox teachers or the heretical sects of Christendom - such a fatherless and motherless doctrine, when it rises to the front, demanding universal acceptance, ought to undergo careful scrutiny before it is admitted and tabulated as part of 'the faith once for all delivered unto the saints." (Robert Cameron, Scriptural Truth About The Lord's Return, page 72-73).

    9. E. R. Sandeen: "Darby introduced into discussion at Powerscourt (1833) the ideas of a secret rapture of the church and of a parenthesis in prophetic fulfillment between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks of Daniel. These two concepts constituted the basic tenets of the system of theology since referred to as dispensationalism" (E.R. Sandeen, The Roots of Fundamentalism 1800-1930, University of Chicago Press, 1970)


     
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  2. MWood

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    It is evident that you have done a lot of research and reading on pre-trib catching away. Now I ask you to open your Bible (KJV) and read/study what the Apostle Paul wrote. He is the only one that will give you any in depth knowledge into the catching away. Regardless of what is written about Darby or anyone else, or who did or did not write about the pre-trib over the years, what you and I need to do is rely on the Bible only. All things and answers are in the Bible. By praying for understanding, knowledge, and wisdom, the Holy Spirit will reveal to you the truth of Gods Word. Then you too will have the answers, and not have to do a lot of reading nonsense written by people that are no smarter than you. Even though what they write SEEMS to make a lot of sense, it is no more than another mans opinion. The Word of God is Truth!
     
  3. Amen! :preach:
     
  4. branchofthevine

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    wait, so what happens if I open my Bible and it is not a KJV? Will it be accurate enough to teach me about this so important issue?

    /sarcasm.
     
  5. JM

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    Unfortunately this attitude is what allowed the false Rapture teaching to spread. No one is a theological island, you shouldn't create new doctrines for itchy ears or believe what has never been accepted as biblical. The Rapture doctrine was the invention of a man named John Nelson Darby.
     
  6. lismore

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    St Ephraim the Syrian?
     
  7. Alpine

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    I once believed in the pre trib rapture -- only because that's what everybody else around me believed.

    It wasn't until I did a serious study of scripture and discovered nowhere in scripture is there a pre trib rapture found. I do believe in a rapture, when Jesus comes back. However, a pre trib rapture if true means Jesus will be coming back twice. That's nowhere in the bible.
     
  8. BeeWrangler

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    :amen:
     
  9. BeeWrangler

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    Give it a moment or two Alpine... someone is going to say the first time Jesus comes back it is a secret, no one will see the dead rise and then the elect. No one will hear the blast of the trumpet... because it is a secret it doesn't really count as Jesus returning... even though he would be returning... so he will return twice but only once lol... I guess scripture forgot to add those parts.
     
  10. DeaconDean

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    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  11. true2theword

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    Same here!......used to pass out left behind movies as a ministry, then I read who was included in the FIRST RESURRECTION, (Revelations 20:4-5) since we who are alive will by no means surpass the dead in Christ (meaning the dead in Christ rise first) there is no possible way the rapture can happen before the antichrist shows up.

    ITS IMPOSSIBLE!
     
  12. Lik3

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    To me, I cannot find any evidence of a pre-tribulation rapture either. I believe that Christians will go through the rapture. I go by the lack of a pre-tribulation rapture from Matthew 24.
     
  13. BeeWrangler

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    :thumbsup:
     
  14. DeaconDean

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    I will say this, just as Calvinism has lasted for over 500 years, so has the belief in Chillism.

    Remember what Gamaliel said about the Apostles?

    "let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." -Acts 5:38-39 (KJV)

    People have been trying to defeat this belief for years and years, and to date, it's still around.

    If you think its heresy, fine, God bless you.

    But for others, its not.

    Leave it alone, better people than some have tried and not succeeded.

    If you disagree with it, fine, just don't condemn us who do accept it.

    Remember, in the 1500's, justification by faith was a "false doctrine".

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  15. BeeWrangler

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    I don't think anyone is condeming anyone Deacon... I know I'm not. It is a simple debate, but I agree when people start saying dumb stuff like God will condemn all pre-trib believers to hell or vise versa then it is not Christian-like. It all boils down to does it really matter? If it is pre-trib then wonderful, the post-tribbers are in for a nice surprise. If it is pre-trib.... well, I guess the pre-tribbers are not really in for a nice surprise, but still... they will not be going to hell because they were wrong about the pre-trib.
     
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    QFT :thumbsup:
     
  17. I second that QFT. :preach:
     
  18. DeaconDean

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  19. OzSpen

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    So that we can understand that this is what St. Ephraim taught, please provide the quotes as well as the bibliographic references.

    Oz
     
  20. JM

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    You mean Psuedo Ephraim?

    Quote from: Deceived, and Being Deceived

    But now it's time to analyze Pseudo-Ephraem (hereafter: P-E), the name attached by scholars to manuscripts that were possibly, but not provably, written by the well-known Ephraim the Syrian who lived from 306-373 A.D.

    And what's the discovery in P-E's early Medieval sermon on the end of the world that's led pretrib promoters to see pretrib in it? It's basically these words:

    "For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." A pretrib rapture is seen by promoters in the phrase "taken to the Lord."

    It needs to be emphasized that pretrib in P-E has been palmed off on unsuspecting Christians by promoters seeing rapture aspects in P-E's sermon where none exist and by covering up such aspects where they do exist in his 10-section sermon! In Section 2, P-E says that the only event that's "imminent" is "the advent of the wicked one" (that is, Antichrist). Nevertheless, Grant Jeffrey in his 1995 book, FINAL WARNING, had the audacity to claim that P-E "began with the Rapture using the word 'imminent'" and added in the next sentence that "Ephraem used the word 'imminent' to describe the Rapture." (If he and other P-E promoters can look at a coming of Antichrist and see a coming of "Christ," is it any wonder that in his endtime view folks will look at Antichrist and see "Christ"?

    Ephraim the Syrian, reportedly P-E's inspiration, said the same thing (SERMO ASCETICUS, I): "Nothing remains then, except that the coming of our enemy, Antichrist, appear...." (Nobody's ever found even a trace of pretrib in this earlier work!)

    In the before-the-tribulation sections, P-E mentions neither a descent of Christ, nor a shout, nor an angelic voice, nor a trumpet of God, nor a resurrection, nor the dead in Christ, nor a rapture, nor meeting Christ.

    So where does P-E place the rapture? The answer is found in his last section (10) where he writes that after "the sign of the Son of Man" when "the Lord shall appear with great power," the "angelic trumpet precedes him, which shall sound and declare: Arise, O sleeping ones, arise, meet Christ, because the hour of judgment has come!" (Like Morgan Edwards and Manuel Lacunza, Pseudo-Ephraem has the nasty, non-pretrib habit of blending the rapture with the final advent!)

    In the July/Sep., 1995 BIBLIOTHECA SACRA, Dallas Seminary's journal, Thomas Ice and his co-author Timothy Demy pulled off one of the worst revisionisms of P-E ever: when summarizing Section 10 they carefully deleted what P-E included between "trumpet" and "judgment" (deleted the distinctive I Thess. 4 aspects in that posttrib setting), giving unsuspecting readers this utterly misleading condensation: "A trumpet will sound, calling forth the dead to judgment."

    But P-E says much more, as can be seen; he places the resurrection of those who sleep in Jesus and the rapture of those who meet Jesus (details found only in I Thess. 4) at the Matt. 24 coming!

    A moment ago I said that Edwards and Lacunza had the same rapture/advent blending. Here's evidence. Edwards in his 1788 work (pp. 21-22) speaks of "the son of man in the clouds, coming to raise the dead saints and change the living....The signs of his coming, in the heavens, will be 'the trump of God [I Thess. 4:16], vapour and smoke, which will darken the sun and moon [Acts 2:19,20]....'"

    Lacunza's 1812 work THE COMING OF MESSIAH IN GLORY AND MAJESTY (Vol. I, p. 113) declares: "...you will find St. Paul and the Gospel speaking one and the same thing: He shall send his angels and they shall gather his elect from the four winds; who can be no other than those very ones who are in Christ, who sleep in Jesus." (A few have assumed that there's pretrib in an earlier Catholic, Franciscus Ribera, but in his 16th century Revelation commentary he viewed Rev. 12's "woman" in the tribulation as the Christian Church!)

    But let's go back to Pseudo-Ephraem.

    Dr. Paul Alexander, the leading authority whose book inspired the P-E claim, is portrayed in Jeffrey's book, FINAL WARNING, as "perhaps the most authoritative scholar on the writings of the early Byzantine Church." But this misleading statement, designed to make readers think that Professor Alexander supports the P-E claim, covers up the fact that this world famous scholar sees not even a smidgen of pretrib in the same Medieval writer!

    In fact, Alexander writes that the phrase "taken to the Lord" (which has become a bonanza for pretrib history revisionists) means "participate at least in some measure in beatitude." While Jeffrey and Ice do include this "beatitude" phrase, all P-E promoters carefully avoid revealing that the Catholic doctrine of "beatitude," according to the NEW CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA, has to do with "the highest acts of virtue that can be performed in this life" - works on earth and not being raptured off earth! (Elsewhere in his sermon P-E repeats the importance of doing "penance," because of "our sins," so that church members will be "sustained" during the tribulation!)
     
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