Rape Victim Who Gave Birth Now Faces Prison Time

[Ana the Ist]

She attempted murder, but that cunning little baby outsmarted her. That's why it's only attempted murder. Apparently, she couldn't find it when the time came. The second time she tried it snatched the scalpel from her and threatened to disembowel her. We know she was justified in trying to kill it, because someone else did bad things to her. It's like when a man gets robbed at gunpoint and comes home to murder his wife in revenge (totally justified, right?).

How is that a good analogy? It's not even remotely similar.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Raped as a teen, she faces 20 years in jail after giving birth

The takeaway here is that outlawing abortion did nothing to prevent abortion. They used to go after the doctors in these cases...but black market abortion pills are now widely available and the only people to punish are the mothers.

Let's also keep in mind these are same nations with populations that are too big...they could use more abortions, not less. El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras...they all share a trio of problems related to overpopulation. They are...

1. Starvation. In the Guatemala for example, 1 in 4 children are starving.

2. Unemployment. Each of these nations lacks enough jobs to support half the adult population.

3. Increased violent organized crime. Criminal gangs have exploded in these nations due to lack of jobs and resources...they have some of the deadliest most violent cities on the planet.

In short, a combination of an extremely christian population and laws against abortion have devastated these nations and resulted in caravans of uneducated poor people headed for our nation.

There's literally no upside to outlawing abortion.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Such a sad and depressing story, I can't imagine what this person girl has went through and has to now keep going through.

 

[Rubiks]

This is utterly tragic but can we seriously have less clickbait-y titles

The title suggests that a woman is going to prison for being raped.

 

[Nithavela]

This is utterly tragic but can we seriously have less clickbait-y titles

The title suggests that a woman is going to prison for being raped.

Actually that is the case. She was raped and got pregnant because of the rape and got incarcerated because her pregnancy went badly. Nowhere in this whole chain of events had this woman any chance to get out.

 

[Novus Odo Seclorum]

We know you share his contempt for the country; no need to remind us.

Contempt for the government is not contempt for the people.

 

[DaisyDay]

I'm gonna hop on the bandwagon early and say she tried to have an abortion.

Why? The child is two years old and fine.

 

[HTacianas]

Why? The child is two years old and fine.

So what's the problem?

 

[DaisyDay]

So what's the problem?

You and a few others in this thread have declared Imelda Cortez guilty based on no evidence other than the accusation.

What makes you assume she is guilty? As far as we know, the child was carried to term and delivered with no harm to her. What cause is there to assume she attempted an abortion?

As an aside - are most guys even aware how often miscarriages occur?

 

[HTacianas]

You and a few others in this thread have declared Imelda Cortez guilty based on no evidence other than the accusation.

What makes you assume she is guilty? As far as we know, the child was carried to term and delivered with no harm to her. What cause is there to assume she attempted an abortion?

I haven't declared her any such thing. But according to you there's no reason to even suspect her. Is that the way it works? A perfectly healthy baby is born and someone draws straws?

 

[grasping the after wind]

We know you share his contempt for the country; no need to remind us.

There seems to also be a large percentage of people in some caravan that agree with that characterization of that country and neighboring ones. For some reason they think it is better in the US. I guess no one informed them that the US was never great. Andrew Cuomo says so and, sure, he is an honorable man, so they might as well have stayed put or sought refuge in Cuba or Venezuela where everyone is treated equally well and the quality of health care is so quite different than I have been told that the terrible system in the US is. I cannot understand why there are not caravans of people flocking to either of those two socialist paradises. You would think there would be refugees streaming over their borders especially trying to escape the oppressive , racist, homophobic, misogynistic, transphobic patriarchy of the not ever great USA.

 

[grasping the after wind]

...to show sympathy for a human being.

Interesting to see who missed the point.

I think you missed the point. The article definitely is about how bad the laws of El Salvador are. There is no way around that. Sympathy was perhaps there as well but the point of the article was that the government and its abortion laws are exactly what Trump called a group of nations.

 

[DaisyDay]

I haven't declared her any such thing.

Oh. I guess I misunderstood when you wrote, "I'm gonna hop on the bandwagon early and say she tried to have an abortion." How is that different? I think that's exactly what she is being accused of, so?

But according to you there's no reason to even suspect her.

Where do you get that from? But, since you bring it up, what IS the reason to suspect her?

Is that the way it works? A perfectly healthy baby is born and someone draws straws?

I don't get the point of this question. The baby was born healthy, but the mother was in pain and hemorrhaging, so she went to the hospital. If there was evidence for an attempted abortion, what was it? And why are you on board with it?

 

[DaisyDay]

I think you missed the point. The article definitely is about how bad the laws of El Salvador are.

That's inaccurate - the article is about how bad THIS law in El Salvador is. It does not address the laws in general.

There is no way around that. Sympathy was perhaps there as well but the point of the article was that the government and its abortion laws are exactly what Trump called a group of nations.

No, the article did not condemn the nation as a whole and its people the way Donald did.

 

[grasping the after wind]

That's inaccurate - the article is about how bad THIS law in El Salvador is. It does not address the laws in general.


No, the article did not condemn the nation as a whole and its people the way Donald did.

Nor do I condemn the nation as a whole only its oppressive government. Like me , however, i do think the article is addressing the oppressive nature of the government first and showing sympathy for the victim second. Journalists may feel sympathy for victims but most I know of are much more interested in having their articles be a catalyst for righting wrongs that they see than in merely just sympathizing. Look at the number of those that have scoffed at the idea of thoughts and prayers instead of action in response to what they see as a wrong.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think you missed the point. The article definitely is about how bad the laws of El Salvador are. There is no way around that. Sympathy was perhaps there as well but the point of the article was that the government and its abortion laws are exactly what Trump called a group of nations.

They are strictly pro-life. Is that a problem or a goal?

 

[Go Braves]

Horribly unjust. I'll pray for her, for some changes in that law.

 

[dgiharris]

They're never going to outlaw abortion, they need the votes.

Abortion would never be overturned in this country because...

That is the easiest and most effective way to control the Right-- simply ring the abortion bell and everyone salivates and falls in line...

If Abortion were overturned then the Right would actually have to focus on other things. Much better and easier to have a cause to rally around, a cause they will never win, a cause the politicians can point to and say, "See, we stand for truth and light while the evil liberals stand for murdering babies... Follow me!!!!"

Abortion is a wonderful polarizing issue that enables you to demonstrate moral superiority and tribalism of the highest order...

If I were a Republican politician, I would never ever want Roe v Wade overturned. Abortion is their cash cow, Pavlov's bell, and 'Remember the Alamo' battlecry all-in-one. Why would you ever give that up if you were a GOP politician???

 

[Nithavela]

Abortion would never be overturned in this country because...

That is the easiest and most effective way to control the Right-- simply ring the abortion bell and everyone salivates and falls in line...

If Abortion were overturned then the Right would actually have to focus on other things. Much better and easier to have a cause to rally around, a cause they will never win, a cause the politicians can point to and say, "See, we stand for truth and light while the evil liberals stand for murdering babies... Follow me!!!!"

Abortion is a wonderful polarizing issue that enables you to demonstrate moral superiority and tribalism of the highest order...

If I were a Republican politician, I would never ever want Roe v Wade overturned. Abortion is their cash cow, Pavlov's bell, and 'Remember the Alamo' battlecry all-in-one. Why would you ever give that up if you were a GOP politician???

One day a republican might be stupid enough, like George W Bush when he invaded Irak and destroyed another wonderfull enemy. But Trump is too smart for that.

He has a very good brain.

 

[variant]

I suppose, but you can't deny that the article paints El Salvador in a unflattering light. Yet when the President speaks negatively about the country, so much pearl clutching...

If President Trump were criticizing them for their draconian abortion laws, or other basic human rights violations, I doubt your statements would hold up.

It would be different people who would be mad at him then.

Conversely if this woman would have left to seek asylum in the United States I think his government would be likely to try to deny that abuse is a good enough reason.

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