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SpiritDriven, perhaps you'd like to find out what we believe before preaching to us.
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Salvation is a continous process. There's no point when someone can say "I'm saved". It usually denotes pride."Let me just add that baptism & chrismation do NOT ensure salvation. "saved" does not align well with Orthodox soteriology. Atonement in a substitutionary sense is also foreign to Orthodoxy."
Elaborate for me and point me in the right direction...obviously I am Western so don't just say it is foreign to Eastern please explain so I can understand....Thanks...
Sorry if that sounded a little vague. If you're really interested in how Orthodoxy views the atonement, I would recommend reading: http://www.orthodoxpress.org/parish/river_of_fire.htm"Let me just add that baptism & chrismation do NOT ensure salvation. "saved" does not align well with Orthodox soteriology. Atonement in a substitutionary sense is also foreign to Orthodoxy."
Elaborate for me and point me in the right direction...obviously I am Western so don't just say it is foreign to Eastern please explain so I can understand....Thanks...
Good question...because I don't want to be alientated or listed as a black sheep, be the odd man out because I speak in tongues and believe that God still uses people to heal the sick as a reflection of his love and power as a sign that the age to come is here and is coming...that would hurt me very much to know that I am not fully affirmed in my belief in that when I know it is historical that the gifts did not stop and that they have been present in the church throughout the centuries...I have come to a place that I know the Spirit of God does work as he wills and still works today and from my conversations with the Orthodox in my area and at large they have told me that my beliefs in the Charismatic would not be affirmed that I would only be affirmed by sectarian Orthodox...If you're at the point of conversion, why are you letting the least of the gifts hinder you?
I understand that no one can say I am saved...the term is Western...forgive me...I mean to say when do we recognize the starting point of salvation...Salvation is a continous process. There's no point when someone can say "I'm saved". It usually denotes pride.
I have not and as soon as I am done with thesis in like two weeks I will begin reading all these articles...the main reason that I am asking all these questions is because I am doing a thesis for my Romans class in Bible College...I go to a Weslyan Methodist School in New Jersey...about two years ago at work I met an Orthodox Priest and because it was a doctors office we began talking a lot and he gave me a book to read...I started reading it and it changed my thinking drastically...now I am incorporating what I have been learning about Orthodoxy in terms of theosis into my Thesis on Romans 6 in this discussion on "newness of life"...so that is where I am at and I want to thank everyone for their help thus far it has been a great blessing in regards to all the posts in different threads...it has helped me so much in making sense of a lot of these things...There are articles & multimedia on the sacrament of Holy Unction (which is to annoint the sick for healing as well as the rough equivalent of a last rite). There is also an article re glossolalia (or tongues) which mentions it as a lesser but not invalid form of prayer but within private devotion. They can be found on the Greek Archdiocese website at www.goarch.org Hope this can be helpful & that you have not already read them.
There's nothing to forgive. I didn't find anything offensive. I just pointed out one difference in EO view. Some westerners believe in Once Saved Allways Saved.I understand that no one can say I am saved...the term is Western...forgive me...I mean to say when do we recognize the starting point of salvation...