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Questions for Synergists

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by Skala, Apr 29, 2013.

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  1. crimsonleaf

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    Give it your best shot...
     
  2. janxharris

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    Ok, but I wont be able right now.

    All the best.
     
  3. crimsonleaf

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    Laters.

    But don't forget this time...
     
  4. Hammster

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    You are passively painting a picture of the strawman that gets posted on here from time to time. "Calvinism has it that some people who want to be saved wont, because God hasn't elected them". Every person who wants to believe on The Lord Jesus Christ will be saved.
     
  5. OzSpen

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    So is that your understanding of how Calvinistic unconditional election works?
     
  6. guuila

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    You don't get it. I'm done.
     
  7. guuila

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    A-M-E-N.
     
  8. guuila

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    He hurts the Gospel of Arminianism by stripping man of his sovereignty. ^_^
     
  9. OzSpen

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    Could it be that that's because you can give no such assurance to Bob?
     
  10. guuila

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    If someone doesn't get a "chance" at salvation, they're getting exactly what they deserve.
     
  11. guuila

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    You don't get it either. How can Bob have assurance if he's not elect?
     
  12. guuila

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    Unconditional election is the basis of wanting to be saved. Category error.
     
  13. OzSpen

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    So that applies to all of the approx. 2,000 languages in the world that have not been translated and do not have a Bible in that language? They are the figures from Wycliffe/SIL. So are these tribes getting exactly what they deserve? And this amounts to approx. 209 million people.
     
  14. guuila

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    Was I unclear somehow? Yes, they are getting what they deserve. Just like you'd get what you deserve if you never heard the Gospel and went straight to hell for your sins.
     
  15. OzSpen

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    In your system, unconditional election is the means by which God elects the saved. So how can people desire to be saved, in your system, without being in God's unconditional elect?
     
  16. OzSpen

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    You are very unclear because of your inability to accept the Scripture that God is not wishing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:9). All people deserve hell, but God is not wishing that any should perish (get hell). That is where your system has a monstrous hole in it.
     
  17. guuila

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    They can't.
     
  18. guuila

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    Funny. You like to take that verse out of context to prop up your free will-ism (oh by the way, will waiting for you to choose the most convincing verse for prev. grace and exegete it... guess I shouldn't hold my breath) and then demand that God isn't willing that any person go to hell, even though God creates multitudes of people who he knows will never believe. That is where your system has a monstrous hold in it.

    Yes Oz, you do deserve hell. And you'd still deserve hell even if God never sent Jesus as a substitute.
     
  19. OzSpen

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    You don't get it either. Bob can gain assurance when the Gospel is freely offered to him and God by His Spirit moves on his he/her heart and he/she responds when the Gospel is proclaimed. Assurance does not come through a deterministic election without the human responsibility to respond to the Gospel.

    However, let's conclude that you will never agree with a Reformed Arminian understanding of the Gospel texts regarding faith, election, repentance and salvation. From what you have posted on this thread, I am led to the conclusion that Calvinists are the only ones who can possibly be correct with their doctrine of election and Arminians are promoting false doctrine. Is that your view?
     
  20. guuila

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    Do you agree that every person is born into this world either elect or non-elect?

    I certainly don't think we're all correct. Best case scenario one of us is right. Worst cast we're both wrong.
     
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