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Featured Questions about the timing of the thousand years

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by DavidPT, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. DavidPT

    DavidPT Well-Known Member

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    If you were to go outside of Revelation 20, yet stay within the book of Revelation, can you point out anything in the other chapters showing when satan is initially bound? Some folks can allegedly find other places in Revelation having to do with his release from the pit, but what about when he initially gets cast into it though?

    Take note of the following, for example. BTW, I enjoy discussing things with you even if we can't come to a mutual agreement about some things. I sincerely value your input, regardless.


    Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    The way I tend to look at this, one thing I notice is this----for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    Can't imagine any of that happening without satan's involvement. This then tells me this is meaning a time when satan is not in the pit. It would seem to me then, what happens here in Revelation 18 at the end of these things, it either leads to him getting bound in the pit a thousand years so that he can't deceive the nations anymore for awhile. Or this leads to him getting cast into the LOF next, because these things would have involved the time of his little season post the finish of the thousand years. The former assumes the thousand years follows the 2nd coming. The latter assumes the thousand years precede the 2nd coming.

    No one should be able to deny that the chronology would be such. satan deceives the nations. satan is then bound, thus no longer deceives the nations. satan is loosed, thus deceives the nations yet again. The question remains, the events recorded in Revelation 18, do they lead to him getting cast into the BP next? Or do they lead to him getting cast into the LOF next?
     
  2. food4thought

    food4thought Loving truth Supporter

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    Who was the angel that gave Muhammed his "revelation"? Why are the Jewish people hated so widely all through the last 2000 years?
     
  3. food4thought

    food4thought Loving truth Supporter

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    When did it happen, if indeed it has happened?

    What about those who were enthroned and given the right to judge? Who are they? When did that happen?

    What does the abyss represent? What does the seal on the abyss represent?
     
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  4. food4thought

    food4thought Loving truth Supporter

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    I hold onto many promises of God for today... the promise of forgiveness of my sins, the promise of eternal life, the promise that Jesus will never leave nor forsake me, and many more.

    The problem for the Amillennial view is this: if God does not fulfill all His promises to literal Israel, what foundation do we have to expect that His promises to literal us will be fulfilled?
     
  5. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    Sorry. I should have been more clear. I meant are there other unfulfilled promises that you are waiting for?
     
  6. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    If I've already posted this in this thread - I'm sorry for being redundant.....but, for one thing, we read "not all Israel is Israel" (so we have to unpack that one a bit) - and also - ancient "Israel" were those that God called "His people" so He could be "their God". Another thing to consider is that in the parable of the Coming of the Lord in the Vineyard in Matthew (20?) the kingdom was taken away and given to another. God has fulfilled His promises through Christ. We can be assured by that (or, at least, those of us that recognize what He's accomplished).
     
  7. food4thought

    food4thought Loving truth Supporter

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    No problem, I am not always as clear as I would like in my posts. BTW, I should echo DavidPT's sentiment and acknowledge that I appreciate your responses to my questions, and I know the Amillennial viewpoint has some very solid support within the greater church... I hold you in respect, sister; and I don't want to fail to demonstrate that in my posts.

    That said, back to your question. I believe that Jesus will literally, physically, return to Earth at some point in history. I believe that He will reward His church for their faithful service (see 1 Corinthians 3:11-15; Revelation 2-3, etc.). I believe I will be given an eternal spiritual (yet physical in some way) body, that is incorruptible and immortal. I believe He will judge the wicked. Those are a few that jumped immediately to mind.

    God bless;
    Michael

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    I also see that God has never given Israel all the land He promised to Abraham (Genesis 15:18), and Moses (Exodus 23:31; Deuteronomy 1:7).
     
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  8. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    I appreciate that a great deal. Thank you :) I feel the same way about anyone that can be thoughtful and respectful in their posting (as you are!).
     
  9. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    I don't disbelieve any of that.

    From what I understand - the main difference between pre-millennials belief system and amillennials is the timing and nature of the coming of His kingdom. I believe His kingdom is here - whenever a person is responding to His will....obeying Him as King (as I believe your posting style reflects you doing, for example).
     
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  10. food4thought

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    Thank you for that. Yes, there is much that we can find common ground on. There is one more promise that I think is pertinent to our discussion... I edited my previous post to include it, but you were already responding to it. Here it is:

    I also see that God has never given Israel all the land He promised to Abraham (Genesis 15:18), and Moses (Exodus 23:31; Deuteronomy 1:7). This is one of the major reasons that the Millennial Kingdom is necessary, so God can fulfill His land grant promise to His people Israel.
     
  11. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    Did they live up to their end of the covenant - or did they fail to hold Him as their only God....having no other god before Him?

    They seem to have placed another god before Him right here:

    John 19:15 ~ At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!” “Shall I crucify your King?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” replied the chief priests.

    But, to be clear, if we didn't have faithful Jewish believers.....we wouldn't have the entire early church (including the disciples). "They are not all Israel, which are of Israel" (Romans 9:6-7).
     
  12. food4thought

    food4thought Loving truth Supporter

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    Genesis 15:18 is an unconditional covenant, Abraham did not walk between the sacrifices, only God did. Nothing is required by the Israelites, it was God's unconditional promise.
     
  13. food4thought

    food4thought Loving truth Supporter

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    This passage is simply saying that just because you are a physical descendant of Abraham does not mean you are saved. Not all of Israel was/is faithful, so God's promises are not for them. But it is important to point out that it was through Isaac, not Ishmael, that the promises were passed on. So even if you accept the idea that the current inhabitants of the Middle East are descendants of Abraham (which I think is patently false), the promises passed through Isaac to Jacob/Israel, and then to his descendants after him.
     
  14. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    From what I understand right now - that was fulfilled in Christ. He was the beneficiary - the Seed that was prophesied - and it was He that fulfilled and "inherited" the promises.
     
  15. food4thought

    food4thought Loving truth Supporter

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    Ok... Christ is the ultimate promised Seed. But this is one more reason why He must rule over Israel in a literal, physical Kingdom that encompasses all the promised land (and rule also over the gentiles all over the Earth).

    How do you see Christ fulfilling and inheriting the entire promised land?
     
  16. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Where in Scripture is it written that during the future millenium there will be no sin ?
    (since people born in the flesh, are flesh, they don't have to do anything to become flesh even during the future millenium, they are/will be / born not spiritual and still must be born again(remember some rebel against God at the end of the future millenium); right? )
    Not all sacrifices had something to do with sin. Jesus was sacrificed once for all time, and will not be sacrificed again - He Is The Perfect Atonement for the Ekklesia.
     
  17. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

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    The 1,000 years is spent in heaven ... not on earth. so the simple answer to all your questions is ... 1-5

    Regarding #6

    During the millennium (spent in heaven). Satan will be confined to this earth, where he can spend the time contemplating the terrible mess he's made of things. The bodies of the wicked (unsaved) will be strewn all over the earth.

    The righteous, on the other hand, will be in heaven, and Revelation 20:4, 6 says that they will be "given authority to judge. . . . They will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years" (verses 4, 6).

    Other verses in the New Testament give us some idea of the nature of this judgment. Paul said that "the saints will judge the world" and "we will judge angels" 1 Corinthians 6:2, 3 . Also, Jesus said that "when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" Matthew 19:28 . In this verse, Jesus combined both the idea of reigning with Him and judging that John spoke about.

    Paul said that "the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first" 1 Thessalonians 4:16 see also 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 . Thus, one of the events to occur at the beginning of the millennium will be the resurrection of the righteous.

    Paul then added that "we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them [the resurrected saints] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever 1 Thessalonians 4:17 . God's people (all believers) will be taken to heaven at Christ's second coming, and a statement that Jesus made while He was still on the earth confirms this conclusion. He promised His disciples that "I am going there [heaven] to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back [His second coming] and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am" John 14:2, 3 . Jesus is now in heaven Acts 2:32, 33 Hebrews 9:25 , and He promised that at His second coming He would take His people to be with Him, where He is.
     
  18. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    This seems mighty strange to me (new tradition/ false teaching/ what? ) , and I haven't seen anyone of any persuasion say this is in nor from nor in line with Scripture, ever.
     
  19. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    Simple answer?
    The only ones I see raptured to heaven are the 2 witnesses, the 1st Resurrection.............

    Acts 1:8
    But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

    Revelation 11:11 And after the three days and half days, a breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand<2476> upon their feet and fear great fall upon the ones observing them.
    12 And they hear a Voice great out of the Heaven saying to them "ascend ye here!" And they ascended into the heaven in the cloud....

    Revelation 20:5
    The rest of the dead not live until should be being finished<5055> the thousand years,
    This is the first Resurrection<386>
     
  20. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

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    What way did the author of the Book of Hebrews see it below?


    Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
    Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
    Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
    Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

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